So it Has Come to This?

App_rpt-users
33

You’re not wrong, and if you resell services or even different builds of asterisk that contain modified code, which is perfectly fine to do, then you must provide the source on request or publish it as per the licensing. That’s really the matter here…

If people want to pay for an allstar service that someone offers, that’s fine… if that service includes things from an open source project then the source code must be either published or provided upon request. Neither of those have ever been satisfied and that is the core of the issue plain and simple.

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34

No, you are completely wrong! GPL2 does not require you to provide any source code for hosted services, when the end user is leasing/renting software, servers and data center space. There is no transfer of ownership of anything—software or hardware.

73, David KB4FXC

35

The ONLY instance that GPL2 allows you to use modified GPL2 code and NOT publish the source is if you use the code internally only. When you make available either by a hosted service or simply publishing compiled versions of modified GPL2 code, then the language in the GPL2 is quite clear in that you must publish, or make available upon request, the sourcecode to the modified GPL2 code. I think that this point is even covered in the FAQ on the GNU site surrounding each version of the GPL.

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36

You need to go back and do some more research. I suggest you google: gpl SaaS

…And, remember, we’re talking about the GPL2 here! Not GPL3 nor AGPL, etc., etc., etc.

37

I think that what is missing here is a simple fact of one thing… WHO THE HECK CARES… what Hamvoip or any other outfit(s) are doing. The concern here should be what is happening with Allstar. How and where it’s going, what its future plans are and how it can benefit the current or future users of the software.

This bickering back and forth about what some other outfit is doing only servers to drive people away from the main attention that should be of importance, that of Allstar.

Let hamvoip or others do their thing, move on, stop worrying about them, stop giving them the attention you’re giving them, and only concentrate on Allstar — for it sure needs some serious concentration applied if it intends to stay in the market place it holds for the Amateur world.

Basically, listening to and reading this crap gets old. It’s like a bunch of little spoiled brats sitting around in the play room complaining about the toys the other kids have.

That’s my two cents worth, may even get me booted (which won’t be the first time I’ve been booted from a group) but come on, let’s be adults, stop complaining and crying and move on to making Allstar a heck of a lot easier for your users to setup and use and coming up with more options that it has to offer than it does now.

William R Howell

38

While I agree… the developers that contribute code to the Allstar project care - they don’t like their code being stolen and no contributions back after putting a lot of time into it, the admin teams that help support Allstar as a whole care, the OSS community cares and frankly so should the amateur radio community. This behavior goes against what amateur radio and open source software are all about in terms of helping better and further the community and effort as a whole.

The SaaS isn’t even really an argument… the binaries have been released to the community, it’s that simple, and that does align with GPL2 and it’s requirements to provide source to users.

I won’t continue to belabor the point - it is my hope that action be taken legally to right the situation. Or even ore so just the right thing be done.

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39

And, hence, these incessant arguments and lack of understanding are why the GPL is rapidly dying. When making some kind of a comparison to amateur radio, the BSD 2-clause license would be most closely applicable, NOT GPL! LOL.

40

I agree with William-t2 and others who believe the Issue has been beat
to oblivion and only sours this list.

My comment to JJC however is about his inclusion of “no contributions”.
In defense of the Hamvoip version. Like it or not.

Without Hamvoip additions being available ASL Version of Allstar would
have stagnated long ago.

Hamvoip existence drives ASL to try to keep up… (RPI4 anyone?) and
good thing in my book. Should Hamvoip supply a PC version, ASL users
would dwindle in numbers like IRLP has.

Both flavors of Allstar being superior function and flexibility wise to
what you can do with IRLP.

Larry - N7FM

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On 9/3/20 11:28 AM, JJC via AllStarLink Discussion Groups wrote:

[JJC] JJC https://community.allstarlink.org/u/jjc
September 3

While I agree… the developers that contribute code to the Allstar
project care - they don’t like their code being stolen and no
contributions back after putting a lot of time into it, the admin teams
that help support Allstar as a whole care, the OSS community cares and
frankly so should the amateur radio community. This behavior goes
against what amateur radio and open source software are all about in
terms of helping better and further the community and effort as a whole.

The SaaS isn’t even really an argument… the binaries have been released
to the community, it’s that simple, and that does align with GPL2 and
it’s requirements to provide source to users.

I won’t continue to belabor the point - it is my hope that action be
taken legally to right the situation. Or even ore so just the right
thing be done.

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[william-t2] william-t2 https://community.allstarlink.org/u/william-t2
September 3

I think that what is missing here is a simple fact of one thing… WHO THE
HECK CARES… what Hamvoip or any other outfit(s) are doing. The concern
here should be what is happening with Allstar. How and where it’s going,
what its future plans are and how it can benefit the current or future
users of the…

    Previous Replies

[william-t2] william-t2 https://community.allstarlink.org/u/william-t2
September 3

I think that what is missing here is a simple fact of one thing… WHO THE
HECK CARES… what Hamvoip or any other outfit(s) are doing. The concern
here should be what is happening with Allstar. How and where it’s going,
what its future plans are and how it can benefit the current or future
users of the software.

This bickering back and forth about what some other outfit is doing only
servers to drive people away from the main attention that should be of
importance, that of Allstar.

Let hamvoip or others do their thing, move on, stop worrying about them,
stop giving them the attention you’re giving them, and only concentrate
on Allstar — for it sure needs some serious concentration applied if it
intends to stay in the market place it holds for the Amateur world.

Basically, listening to and reading this crap gets old. It’s like a
bunch of little spoiled brats sitting around in the play room
complaining about the toys the other kids have.

That’s my two cents worth, may even get me booted (which won’t be the
first time I’ve been booted from a group) but come on, let’s be adults,
stop complaining and crying and move on to making Allstar a heck of a
lot easier for your users to setup and use and coming up with more
options that it has to offer than it does now.

William R Howell

[David_McGough] David_McGough
https://community.allstarlink.org/u/david_mcgough
September 3

You need to go back and do some more research. I suggest you google: gpl
SaaS

…And, remember, we’re talking about the GPL2 here! Not GPL3 nor AGPL,
etc., etc., etc.

[JJC] JJC https://community.allstarlink.org/u/jjc
September 3

The ONLY instance that GPL2 allows you to use modified GPL2 code and NOT
publish the source is if you use the code internally only. When you make
available either by a hosted service or simply publishing compiled
versions of modified GPL2 code, then the language in the GPL2 is quite
clear in that you must publish, or make available upon request, the
sourcecode to the modified GPL2 code. I think that this point is even
covered in the FAQ on the GNU site surrounding each version of the GPL.

[David_McGough] David_McGough
https://community.allstarlink.org/u/david_mcgough
September 3

No, you are completely wrong! GPL2 does not require you to provide any
source code for hosted services, when the end user is leasing/renting
software, servers and data center space. There is no transfer of
ownership of anything—software or hardware.

73, David KB4FXC

[JJC] JJC https://community.allstarlink.org/u/jjc
September 3

You’re not wrong, and if you resell services or even different builds of
asterisk that contain modified code, which is perfectly fine to do, then
you must provide the source on request or publish it as per the
licensing. That’s really the matter here…

If people want to pay for an allstar service that someone offers, that’s
fine… if that service includes things from an open source project then
the source code must be either published or provided upon request.
Neither of those have ever been satisfied and that is the core of the
issue plain and simple.

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John David, you a huckster, fraud, charlatan and all around cock-sucker. You can’t film-flam your way around the fact you’ve taken code from others, removed the authors names, and passed it as your own. I’ve proven this, and all you can offer in your defense is jazz hands and redirection combined with more bullshit.

You are distributing code for which you have no legal right to distribute. Your code even identifies as GPL, as it’s not using an alternate license to asterisk, and the kernel is not showing as tainted.

Have you considered running for political office? Your shocking immorality certainly makes you a shoe in.

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42

LOL, welcome back Bryan!! …I see you still control all Jim Dixon’s IPv4 subnets, that you STOLE from his estate… You planning to ever give them to AllStarLink, Inc. ???

Here are a few, just to jog your memory:

192.77.144.0/24
192.83.199.0/24
192.152.115.0/24
192.206.124.0/24

198.49.251.0/24
198.178.225.0/24

198.183.206.0/24
198.183.207.0/24
198.183.208.0/24
198.183.209.0/24

206.82.140.0/24
206.82.141.0/24
206.82.142.0/24
206.82.143.0/24
206.82.144.0/24
206.82.145.0/24
206.82.146.0/24
206.82.147.0/24

73, David KB4FXC

43

So who do you think is paying for and running the databases, the registration servers for ALL Allstarlink nodes and users ??

It is certainly NOT him. You may be misinformed sir!

44

David, that sounds like more jazz hand diversion (Look, over there!).

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From: David McGough via AllStarLink Discussion Groups noreply@community.allstarlink.org
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 8:02 PM
To: tom@k5tra.net
Subject: [AllStarLink Discussion Groups] [App_rpt-users] So it Has Come to This?





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David_McGough
September 4

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LOL, welcome back Bryan!! …I see you still control all Jim Dixon’s IPv4 subnets, that you STOLE from his estate… You planning to ever give them to AllStarLink, Inc. ???

Here are a few, just to jog your memory:

192.77.144.0/24
192.83.199.0/24
192.152.115.0/24
192.206.124.0/24

198.49.251.0/24
198.178.225.0/24

198.183.206.0/24
198.183.207.0/24
198.183.208.0/24
198.183.209.0/24

206.82.140.0/24
206.82.141.0/24
206.82.142.0/24
206.82.143.0/24
206.82.144.0/24
206.82.145.0/24
206.82.146.0/24
206.82.147.0/24

73, David KB4FXC

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W9CR
September 3

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John David, you a huckster, fraud, charlatan and all around cock-sucker. You can’t film-flam your way around the fact you’ve taken code from others, removed the authors names, and passed it as your own. I’ve proven this, and all you can offer in your defense is jazz hands and redirection combined …

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It amazes me that you guys refuse to accept facts. I guess you realize that each of those /24 IPv4 subnets is worth maybe $7000??? That’s a lot of money—over $100,000 total!

I’m stating easily verifiable facts. Maybe you should start looking over there?

47

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48

David,

Allstarlink provides the Web portal website for ALL users along with registration. Not just HamVoip users!

Allstarlink provides and coordinates issuing node numbers to ALL node users including HamVoip users! :slight_smile: (We support everyone in community)

Allstarlink hosts and provides the main database of user information that provides the information needed for the stats pages for all Allstarlink node users.

Allstarlink hosts and maintains the wiki.allstarlink.org for ALL node users.

Allstarlink hosts and maintains the community.allstarlink.org which is a user forum for ALL interested in Allstarlink that have questions.

Allstarlink hosts the rt.allstarlink.org helpdesk ticket system to help and support ALL users.

In fact, since we are talking about servers, Allstarlink actually has 14 servers to support ALL the Allstarlink community as whole.

Currently, our registration servers are registering about 4,480 active nodes as I type this message. That’s ALL the nodes using Allstarlink. (Not just HamVoip nodes, ALL nodes)

Anyone can see this here at this address: Grafana

Conversely, I am sure that when your smaller HamVoip registration system and database has problems, our ASL Allstarlink registration system and database node lookups continue to work great for the HamVoip users.

I really do not what to get into a debate, I just want to set the record straight so that everyone on this list is getting correct and true information.

It’s a little misleading and confusing to everyone when they read statements like “HamVoip pays for the registrations system and databases that all HamVoip system use.”

It makes them think HamVoip is running and paying for everything ASL related, which is far from the truth.

The common user reading your statements may not know the whole story in that the ASL systems are doing the same thing and are run by ASL for the whole community, and NOT just specific (HamVoip) users! :slight_smile:

Again, maybe this is just more “jazz hand diversion” on your part to mislead of divert the real subject.

73

Marshall - ke6pcv

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From: David McGough via AllStarLink Discussion Groups [mailto:noreply@community.allstarlink.org]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2020 7:17 AM
To: ke6pcv@cal-net.org
Subject: [AllStarLink Discussion Groups] [App_rpt-users] So it Has Come to This?





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David_McGough
September 4

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Marshall,

HamVoIP pays for the registrations systems and databases that all HamVoIP systems use.

Many HamVoIP users dual-register with HamVoIP’s and AllStarLink’s (ASL) systems for the best compatibility.

Why do you think HamVoIP node lookups continue to work when ASL is having problems??? It’s because we have our own servers.

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KE6PCV ASL Admin
September 4

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So who do you think is paying for and running the databases, the registration servers for ALL Allstarlink nodes and users ?? It is certainly NOT him. You may be misinformed sir!

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Tom
September 4

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David, that sounds like more jazz hand diversion (Look, over there!).

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KE6PCV ASL Admin
September 4

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william-t2:

Must people be reminded that running a massive amount of registration servers, a data center, and the fiber required (bandwidth) for such an operation is not cheap and comes at a high cost? Just because Allstar doesn’t charge a fee doesn’t mean that everyone else shouldn’t recoup something for their time and the backbone operations provided.

So who do you think is paying for and running the databases, the registration servers for ALL Allstarlink nodes and users ??

It is certainly NOT him. You may be misinformed sir!





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David_McGough
September 4

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LOL, welcome back Bryan!! …I see you still control all Jim Dixon’s IPv4 subnets, that you STOLE from his estate… You planning to ever give them to AllStarLink, Inc. ???

Here are a few, just to jog your memory:

192.77.144.0/24
192.83.199.0/24
192.152.115.0/24
192.206.124.0/24

198.49.251.0/24
198.178.225.0/24

198.183.206.0/24
198.183.207.0/24
198.183.208.0/24
198.183.209.0/24

206.82.140.0/24
206.82.141.0/24
206.82.142.0/24
206.82.143.0/24
206.82.144.0/24
206.82.145.0/24
206.82.146.0/24
206.82.147.0/24

73, David KB4FXC





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W9CR
September 3

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John David, you a huckster, fraud, charlatan and all around cock-sucker. You can’t film-flam your way around the fact you’ve taken code from others, removed the authors names, and passed it as your own. I’ve proven this, and all you can offer in your defense is jazz hands and redirection combined with more bullshit.

You are distributing code for which you have no legal right to distribute. Your code even identifies as GPL, as it’s not using an alternate license to asterisk, and the kernel is not showing as tainted.

Have you considered running for political office? Your shocking immorality certainly makes you a shoe in.





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larry
September 3

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I agree with William-t2 and others who believe the Issue has been beat
to oblivion and only sours this list.

My comment to JJC however is about his inclusion of “no contributions”.
In defense of the Hamvoip version. Like it or not.

Without Hamvoip additions being available ASL Version of Allstar would
have stagnated long ago.

Hamvoip existence drives ASL to try to keep up… (RPI4 anyone?) and
good thing in my book. Should Hamvoip supply a PC version, ASL users
would dwindle in numbers like IRLP has.

Both flavors of Allstar being superior function and flexibility wise to
what you can do with IRLP.

Larry - N7FM

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That’s an inaccurate statement, but one that I’d love to see substantiated by some proof of “source code improvements” and “binary patches”. Something beyond someone just changing the copyright text and compiling…

I have the latest code from git running on an RPI4 and as stated before - I’m happy to help others do the same!.. building an image, modifying copyrights and touting unsubstantiated “enhancements” does not a contribution make, in my opinion.

51

Okay, when replying back to my post, please stick to the actual subject being talked about and not a “diversion subject” or personal attack on me.

73

Marshall - ke6pcv

52

JJC (whatever the name)

Not intending to flog the dead Horse but since Tim evidently believes in
keeping this thread alive as a negative reminder of times past. I’ll say
My goal has been to forget the past and move on. The negativity only
harms ASL.

My comment was only that the HAMVOIP enhancements prods the ASL version
to move forward. A good thing regardless of who spurs it on.

Good show on making the RPi4 Work. Didn’t catch any announcement that
ASL was now able to run on that model of Pi.

It seems my statement was correct. You have moved us forward. I am grateful.

Are you planning to post a “HOW TO” making it easy for us (no talent)
ASL users to get it up and running?

Larry - N7FM

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On 9/4/20 10:03 AM, JJC via AllStarLink Discussion Groups wrote:

[JJC] JJC https://community.allstarlink.org/u/jjc
September 4

That’s an inaccurate statement, but one that I’d love to see
substantiated by some proof of “source code improvements” and “binary
patches”. Something beyond someone just changing the copyright text and
compiling…

I have the latest code from git running on an RPI4 and as stated before

  • I’m happy to help others do the same!.. building an image, modifying
    copyrights and touting unsubstantiated “enhancements” does not a
    contribution make, in my opinion.

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[larry] larry https://community.allstarlink.org/u/larry
September 3

I agree with William-t2 and others who believe the Issue has been beat
to oblivion and only sours this list. My comment to JJC however is about
his inclusion of “no contributions”. In defense of the Hamvoip version.
Like it or not. Without Hamvoip additions being available ASL Version of
Allstar…

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[David_McGough] David_McGough
https://community.allstarlink.org/u/david_mcgough
September 4

Marshall,

My “jazz hand diversion” has obviously got you so distracted that you
fail to see reality.

Anyhow, to the DDoS folks out there, THANKS!! You’re helping to make the
HamVoIP product even more superior, as I develop better and better
adaptive blocking. Now, I’m back off to work, analyzing data packets!

73, David KB4FXC

[KE6PCV] KE6PCV https://community.allstarlink.org/u/ke6pcv ASL Admin
September 4

David,

Allstarlink provides the Web portal website for ALL users along with
registration. Not just HamVoip users!

Allstarlink provides and coordinates issuing node numbers to ALL node
users including HamVoip users! :slight_smile: (We support everyone in
community)

Allstarlink hosts and provides the main database of user information
that provides the information needed for the stats pages for all
Allstarlink node users.

Allstarlink hosts and maintains the wiki.allstarlink.org
http://wiki.allstarlink.org for ALL node users.

Allstarlink hosts and maintains the community.allstarlink.org
http://community.allstarlink.org which is a user forum for ALL
interested in Allstarlink that have questions.

Allstarlink hosts the rt.allstarlink.org http://rt.allstarlink.org
helpdesk ticket system to help and support ALL users.

In fact, since we are talking about servers, Allstarlink actually has 14
servers to support ALL the Allstarlink community as whole.

Currently, our registration servers are registering about 4,480 active
nodes as I type this message. That’s ALL the nodes using Allstarlink.
(Not just HamVoip nodes, ALL nodes)

Anyone can see this here at this address:
Grafana

Conversely, I am sure that when your smaller HamVoip registration system
and database has problems, our ASL Allstarlink registration system and
database node lookups continue to work great for the HamVoip users.

I really do not what to get into a debate, I just want to set the record
straight so that everyone on this list is getting correct and true
information.

It’s a little misleading and confusing to everyone when they read
statements like “HamVoip pays for the registrations system and databases
that all HamVoip system use.”

It makes them think HamVoip is running and paying for everything ASL
related, which is far from the truth.

The common user reading your statements may not know the whole story in
that the ASL systems are doing the same thing and are run by ASL for the
whole community, and NOT just specific (HamVoip) users! :slight_smile:

Again, maybe this is just more “jazz hand diversion” on your part to
mislead of divert the real subject.

73

Marshall - ke6pcv

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[wd6awp] wd6awp https://community.allstarlink.org/u/wd6awp ASL Admin
September 4

Folks, please remember:

  • Personal attacks are not welcome; critique the policy not the person.
  • Click the bell icon if you don’t want to follow this topic.

[David_McGough] David_McGough
https://community.allstarlink.org/u/david_mcgough
September 4

It amazes me that you guys refuse to accept facts. I guess you realize
that /each/ of those /24 IPv4 subnets is worth maybe $7000??? That’s a
lot of money—over $100,000 total!

I’m stating easily verifiable facts. Maybe you should start looking
over there?

[David_McGough] David_McGough
https://community.allstarlink.org/u/david_mcgough
September 4

Marshall,

HamVoIP pays for the registrations systems and databases that /all/
HamVoIP systems use.

Many HamVoIP users dual-register with HamVoIP’s and AllStarLink’s (ASL)
systems for the best compatibility.

Why do you think HamVoIP node lookups continue to work when ASL is
having problems??? It’s because we have our own servers.

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David,

When replying back to my post, please stick to the actual SUBJECT being talked about and not a “diversion subject” or off topic subject.

Thanks

73

Marshall - ke6pcv

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From: David McGough via AllStarLink Discussion Groups [mailto:noreply@community.allstarlink.org]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2020 9:33 AM
To: ke6pcv@cal-net.org
Subject: [AllStarLink Discussion Groups] [App_rpt-users] So it Has Come to This?





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David_McGough
September 4

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Marshall,

My “jazz hand diversion” has obviously got you so distracted that you fail to see reality.

Anyhow, to the DDoS folks out there, THANKS!! You’re helping to make the HamVoIP product even more superior, as I develop better and better adaptive blocking. Now, I’m back off to work, analyzing data packets!

73, David KB4FXC

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KE6PCV ASL Admin
September 4

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David, Allstarlink provides the Web portal website for ALL users along with registration. Not just HamVoip users! Allstarlink provides and coordinates issuing node numbers to ALL node users including HamVoip users! :slight_smile: (We support everyone in community) Allstarlink hosts and provides t…

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KE6PCV ASL Admin
September 4

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David,

Allstarlink provides the Web portal website for ALL users along with registration. Not just HamVoip users!

Allstarlink provides and coordinates issuing node numbers to ALL node users including HamVoip users! :slight_smile:(We support everyone in community)

Allstarlink hosts and provides the main database of user information that provides the information needed for the stats pages for all Allstarlink node users.

Allstarlink hosts and maintains the wiki.allstarlink.org for ALL node users.

Allstarlink hosts and maintains the community.allstarlink.org which is a user forum for ALL interested in Allstarlink that have questions.

Allstarlink hosts the rt.allstarlink.org helpdesk ticket system to help and support ALL users.

In fact, since we are talking about servers, Allstarlink actually has 14 servers to support ALL the Allstarlink community as whole.

Currently, our registration servers are registering about 4,480 active nodes as I type this message. That’s ALL the nodes using Allstarlink. (Not just HamVoip nodes, ALL nodes)

Anyone can see this here at this address: https://grafana.allstarlink.org/d/LpV1-odmz/default?refresh=5m&orgId=2

Conversely, I am sure that when your smaller HamVoip registration system and database has problems, our ASL Allstarlink registration system and database node lookups continue to work great for the HamVoip users.

I really do not what to get into a debate, I just want to set the record straight so that everyone on this list is getting correct and true information.

It’s a little misleading and confusing to everyone when they read statements like “HamVoip pays for the registrations system and databases that all HamVoip system use.”

It makes them think HamVoip is running and paying for everything ASL related, which is far from the truth.

The common user reading your statements may not know the whole story in that the ASL systems are doing the same thing and are run by ASL for the whole community, and NOT just specific (HamVoip) users! :slight_smile:

Again, maybe this is just more “jazz hand diversion” on your part to mislead of divert the real subject.

73

Marshall - ke6pcv

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It amazes me that you guys refuse to accept facts. I guess you realize that each of those /24 IPv4 subnets is worth maybe $7000??? That’s a lot of money—over $100,000 total!

I’m stating easily verifiable facts. Maybe you should start looking over there?





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David_McGough
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Marshall,

HamVoIP pays for the registrations systems and databases that all HamVoIP systems use.

Many HamVoIP users dual-register with HamVoIP’s and AllStarLink’s (ASL) systems for the best compatibility.

Why do you think HamVoIP node lookups continue to work when ASL is having problems??? It’s because we have our own servers.





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David, that sounds like more jazz hand diversion (Look, over there!).

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Marshall,

Believe it or not, this whole thread has been useful to me. It has definitively answered several questions I’ve had.

Everyone have a wonderful Labor Day Holiday and stay safe.

73, David KB4FXC