RX Input Adjust Failed

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1

I discovered app_rpt does not like ctcssfrom=no. Why? (I'm using DIAL).

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

···

-----Original Message-----
From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 10:37 AM
To: 'app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org'
Subject: RX Input Adjust Failed

What could cause the Error: RX Input Adjust Failed?

DONE tries=12, setting=1000, meas=58, sqnoise=13
ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.

No RF input to the radio.

I'm attempting to setup a substitute receiver for testing, but am
experiencing difficulty setting it up, and not wanting to make a switch to
simpleusb, thus making the minimum number of changes.

The substitute receiver (Yaesu FT-1500M) is detecting CTCSS, with USB COR
out, and I'm using the speaker output. (see below conf file)

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

from usbradio_tune...

hdwtype=0
rxboost=1
txboost=1
rxctcssrelax=1
txctcssdefault=107.2
rxctcssfreqs=107.2
txctcssfreqs=107.2
;rxctcssoverride=0
;carrierfrom=dsp
carrierfrom=usb ;dsp
ctcssfrom=no ;usbinvert
rxdemod=speaker ;flat
txprelim=no
txlimonly=no
txtoctype=notone
txmixa=composite
txmixb=no
invertptt=0
duplex=1
rxondelay=0
rxnoisefiltype=0
eeprom=0

2

Comment out the ctcss tones listed.
J

···

On 5/22/2016 2:35 PM, kk6ecm wrote:

I discovered app_rpt does not like ctcssfrom=no. Why? (I'm using DIAL).

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 10:37 AM
To: 'app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org'
Subject: RX Input Adjust Failed

What could cause the Error: RX Input Adjust Failed?

DONE tries=12, setting=1000, meas=58, sqnoise=13
ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.

No RF input to the radio.

I'm attempting to setup a substitute receiver for testing, but am
experiencing difficulty setting it up, and not wanting to make a switch to
simpleusb, thus making the minimum number of changes.

The substitute receiver (Yaesu FT-1500M) is detecting CTCSS, with USB COR
out, and I'm using the speaker output. (see below conf file)

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

from usbradio_tune...

hdwtype=0
rxboost=1
txboost=1
rxctcssrelax=1
txctcssdefault=107.2
rxctcssfreqs=107.2
txctcssfreqs=107.2
;rxctcssoverride=0
;carrierfrom=dsp
carrierfrom=usb ;dsp
ctcssfrom=no ;usbinvert
rxdemod=speaker ;flat
txprelim=no
txlimonly=no
txtoctype=notone
txmixa=composite
txmixb=no
invertptt=0
duplex=1
rxondelay=0
rxnoisefiltype=0
eeprom=0

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3

No change... whenever I have ctcssfrom=no, the PTT on the URIx is active,
and app_rpt won't take DTMF commands. When I switch back to
ctcssfrom=usbinvert, all works normally, however, that configuration does
not work with my substitute receiver.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

···

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
[mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 11:21 AM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed

Comment out the ctcss tones listed.
J

On 5/22/2016 2:35 PM, kk6ecm wrote:

I discovered app_rpt does not like ctcssfrom=no. Why? (I'm using DIAL).

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 10:37 AM
To: 'app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org'
Subject: RX Input Adjust Failed

What could cause the Error: RX Input Adjust Failed?

DONE tries=12, setting=1000, meas=58, sqnoise=13
ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.

No RF input to the radio.

I'm attempting to setup a substitute receiver for testing, but am
experiencing difficulty setting it up, and not wanting to make a switch to
simpleusb, thus making the minimum number of changes.

The substitute receiver (Yaesu FT-1500M) is detecting CTCSS, with USB COR
out, and I'm using the speaker output. (see below conf file)

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

from usbradio_tune...

hdwtype=0
rxboost=1
txboost=1
rxctcssrelax=1
txctcssdefault=107.2
rxctcssfreqs=107.2
txctcssfreqs=107.2
;rxctcssoverride=0
;carrierfrom=dsp
carrierfrom=usb ;dsp
ctcssfrom=no ;usbinvert
rxdemod=speaker ;flat
txprelim=no
txlimonly=no
txtoctype=notone
txmixa=composite
txmixb=no
invertptt=0
duplex=1
rxondelay=0
rxnoisefiltype=0
eeprom=0

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4

What is the squelch logic coming out of your radio?

If the line changes, does it go low with signal or no signal? And when it goes low does it pull to ground?

The URI will not see a signal change if only voltage is supplied by the radio. The radio MUST pull the signal to ground on receive or when squelched.

If the radio doesn't pull to ground then you may need to connect an NPN transistor to pull the line to ground. Then set USB radio for usbinvert.

VA3RQ

···

On 5/22/2016 3:41 PM, kk6ecm wrote:

No change... whenever I have ctcssfrom=no, the PTT on the URIx is active,
and app_rpt won't take DTMF commands. When I switch back to
ctcssfrom=usbinvert, all works normally, however, that configuration does
not work with my substitute receiver.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
[mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 11:21 AM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed

Comment out the ctcss tones listed.
J

On 5/22/2016 2:35 PM, kk6ecm wrote:

I discovered app_rpt does not like ctcssfrom=no. Why? (I'm using DIAL).

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 10:37 AM
To: 'app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org'
Subject: RX Input Adjust Failed

What could cause the Error: RX Input Adjust Failed?

DONE tries=12, setting=1000, meas=58, sqnoise=13
ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.

No RF input to the radio.

I'm attempting to setup a substitute receiver for testing, but am
experiencing difficulty setting it up, and not wanting to make a switch to
simpleusb, thus making the minimum number of changes.

The substitute receiver (Yaesu FT-1500M) is detecting CTCSS, with USB COR
out, and I'm using the speaker output. (see below conf file)

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

from usbradio_tune...

hdwtype=0
rxboost=1
txboost=1
rxctcssrelax=1
txctcssdefault=107.2
rxctcssfreqs=107.2
txctcssfreqs=107.2
;rxctcssoverride=0
;carrierfrom=dsp
carrierfrom=usb ;dsp
ctcssfrom=no ;usbinvert
rxdemod=speaker ;flat
txprelim=no
txlimonly=no
txtoctype=notone
txmixa=composite
txmixb=no
invertptt=0
duplex=1
rxondelay=0
rxnoisefiltype=0
eeprom=0

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5

Thanks! Part of the problem was my lack of understanding.

OK... have everything working, but having difficulty understanding the tune
function.

radio tune rxnoise
tune rxnoise maxtries=12, target=23000, tolerance=2750

radio tune rxvoice
target=7200 tolerance=360

I'm passing the rxvoice, but failing the rxnoise. The radio seems to have a
lot of noise, however the measured is a small fraction of the modulated
signal. But the target for the rxnoise is 3 times the level of the
rxvoice... I expected the rxnoise to be much lower than the rxvoice levels,
comparable to what I'm measuring. IaxRpt is "measuring" a lot of noise (gree
bar is showing strong. What am I missing here with respect to these
measurement in the tune? What are the units? Gain? Where rxnoise would
require much more gain (target?) than the rxvoice to achieve some level?

Thanks,

Bob,
kk6ecm
73

···

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
[mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:32 PM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed

What is the squelch logic coming out of your radio?

If the line changes, does it go low with signal or no signal? And when
it goes low does it pull to ground?

The URI will not see a signal change if only voltage is supplied by the
radio. The radio MUST pull the signal to ground on receive or when
squelched.

If the radio doesn't pull to ground then you may need to connect an NPN
transistor to pull the line to ground. Then set USB radio for usbinvert.

VA3RQ

On 5/22/2016 3:41 PM, kk6ecm wrote:

No change... whenever I have ctcssfrom=no, the PTT on the URIx is active,
and app_rpt won't take DTMF commands. When I switch back to
ctcssfrom=usbinvert, all works normally, however, that configuration does
not work with my substitute receiver.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
[mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 11:21 AM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed

Comment out the ctcss tones listed.
J

On 5/22/2016 2:35 PM, kk6ecm wrote:

I discovered app_rpt does not like ctcssfrom=no. Why? (I'm using DIAL).

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 10:37 AM
To: 'app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org'
Subject: RX Input Adjust Failed

What could cause the Error: RX Input Adjust Failed?

DONE tries=12, setting=1000, meas=58, sqnoise=13
ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.

No RF input to the radio.

I'm attempting to setup a substitute receiver for testing, but am
experiencing difficulty setting it up, and not wanting to make a switch

to

simpleusb, thus making the minimum number of changes.

The substitute receiver (Yaesu FT-1500M) is detecting CTCSS, with USB COR
out, and I'm using the speaker output. (see below conf file)

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

from usbradio_tune...

hdwtype=0
rxboost=1
txboost=1
rxctcssrelax=1
txctcssdefault=107.2
rxctcssfreqs=107.2
txctcssfreqs=107.2
;rxctcssoverride=0
;carrierfrom=dsp
carrierfrom=usb ;dsp
ctcssfrom=no ;usbinvert
rxdemod=speaker ;flat
txprelim=no
txlimonly=no
txtoctype=notone
txmixa=composite
txmixb=no
invertptt=0
duplex=1
rxondelay=0
rxnoisefiltype=0
eeprom=0

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6

Bob,

rxnoise is set using unsquelched, raw discriminator noise; this level
should always be much higher than an audio test signal.

Perhaps you're using a full-quieting received signal for the rxnoise
source?

73, David KB4FXC

···

On Sun, 22 May 2016, kk6ecm wrote:

Thanks! Part of the problem was my lack of understanding.

OK... have everything working, but having difficulty understanding the tune
function.

radio tune rxnoise
tune rxnoise maxtries=12, target=23000, tolerance=2750

radio tune rxvoice
target=7200 tolerance=360

I'm passing the rxvoice, but failing the rxnoise. The radio seems to have a
lot of noise, however the measured is a small fraction of the modulated
signal. But the target for the rxnoise is 3 times the level of the
rxvoice... I expected the rxnoise to be much lower than the rxvoice levels,
comparable to what I'm measuring. IaxRpt is "measuring" a lot of noise (gree
bar is showing strong. What am I missing here with respect to these
measurement in the tune? What are the units? Gain? Where rxnoise would
require much more gain (target?) than the rxvoice to achieve some level?

Thanks,

Bob,
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
[mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:32 PM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed

What is the squelch logic coming out of your radio?

If the line changes, does it go low with signal or no signal? And when
it goes low does it pull to ground?

The URI will not see a signal change if only voltage is supplied by the
radio. The radio MUST pull the signal to ground on receive or when
squelched.

If the radio doesn't pull to ground then you may need to connect an NPN
transistor to pull the line to ground. Then set USB radio for usbinvert.

VA3RQ

On 5/22/2016 3:41 PM, kk6ecm wrote:
> No change... whenever I have ctcssfrom=no, the PTT on the URIx is active,
> and app_rpt won't take DTMF commands. When I switch back to
> ctcssfrom=usbinvert, all works normally, however, that configuration does
> not work with my substitute receiver.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
> kk6ecm
> 73
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
> [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 11:21 AM
> To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed
>
> Comment out the ctcss tones listed.
> J
>
> On 5/22/2016 2:35 PM, kk6ecm wrote:
>> I discovered app_rpt does not like ctcssfrom=no. Why? (I'm using DIAL).
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>> kk6ecm
>> 73
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 10:37 AM
>> To: 'app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org'
>> Subject: RX Input Adjust Failed
>>
>> What could cause the Error: RX Input Adjust Failed?
>>
>> DONE tries=12, setting=1000, meas=58, sqnoise=13
>> ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.
>>
>> No RF input to the radio.
>>
>> I'm attempting to setup a substitute receiver for testing, but am
>> experiencing difficulty setting it up, and not wanting to make a switch
to
>> simpleusb, thus making the minimum number of changes.
>>
>> The substitute receiver (Yaesu FT-1500M) is detecting CTCSS, with USB COR
>> out, and I'm using the speaker output. (see below conf file)
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>> kk6ecm
>> 73
>>
>>
>> from usbradio_tune...
>>
>> hdwtype=0
>> rxboost=1
>> txboost=1
>> rxctcssrelax=1
>> txctcssdefault=107.2
>> rxctcssfreqs=107.2
>> txctcssfreqs=107.2
>> ;rxctcssoverride=0
>> ;carrierfrom=dsp
>> carrierfrom=usb ;dsp
>> ctcssfrom=no ;usbinvert
>> rxdemod=speaker ;flat
>> txprelim=no
>> txlimonly=no
>> txtoctype=notone
>> txmixa=composite
>> txmixb=no
>> invertptt=0
>> duplex=1
>> rxondelay=0
>> rxnoisefiltype=0
>> eeprom=0
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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7

I believe I am. So guess I don't have to worry about it eh?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

···

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On May 22, 2016, at 8:43 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:

Bob,

rxnoise is set using unsquelched, raw discriminator noise; this level
should always be much higher than an audio test signal.

Perhaps you're using a full-quieting received signal for the rxnoise
source?

73, David KB4FXC

On Sun, 22 May 2016, kk6ecm wrote:

Thanks! Part of the problem was my lack of understanding.

OK... have everything working, but having difficulty understanding the tune
function.

radio tune rxnoise
tune rxnoise maxtries=12, target=23000, tolerance=2750

radio tune rxvoice
target=7200 tolerance=360

I'm passing the rxvoice, but failing the rxnoise. The radio seems to have a
lot of noise, however the measured is a small fraction of the modulated
signal. But the target for the rxnoise is 3 times the level of the
rxvoice... I expected the rxnoise to be much lower than the rxvoice levels,
comparable to what I'm measuring. IaxRpt is "measuring" a lot of noise (gree
bar is showing strong. What am I missing here with respect to these
measurement in the tune? What are the units? Gain? Where rxnoise would
require much more gain (target?) than the rxvoice to achieve some level?

Thanks,

Bob,
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
[mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:32 PM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed

What is the squelch logic coming out of your radio?

If the line changes, does it go low with signal or no signal? And when
it goes low does it pull to ground?

The URI will not see a signal change if only voltage is supplied by the
radio. The radio MUST pull the signal to ground on receive or when
squelched.

If the radio doesn't pull to ground then you may need to connect an NPN
transistor to pull the line to ground. Then set USB radio for usbinvert.

VA3RQ

On 5/22/2016 3:41 PM, kk6ecm wrote:
No change... whenever I have ctcssfrom=no, the PTT on the URIx is active,
and app_rpt won't take DTMF commands. When I switch back to
ctcssfrom=usbinvert, all works normally, however, that configuration does
not work with my substitute receiver.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
[mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 11:21 AM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed

Comment out the ctcss tones listed.
J

On 5/22/2016 2:35 PM, kk6ecm wrote:
I discovered app_rpt does not like ctcssfrom=no. Why? (I'm using DIAL).

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 10:37 AM
To: 'app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org'
Subject: RX Input Adjust Failed

What could cause the Error: RX Input Adjust Failed?

DONE tries=12, setting=1000, meas=58, sqnoise=13
ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.

No RF input to the radio.

I'm attempting to setup a substitute receiver for testing, but am
experiencing difficulty setting it up, and not wanting to make a switch

to

simpleusb, thus making the minimum number of changes.

The substitute receiver (Yaesu FT-1500M) is detecting CTCSS, with USB COR
out, and I'm using the speaker output. (see below conf file)

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

from usbradio_tune...

hdwtype=0
rxboost=1
txboost=1
rxctcssrelax=1
txctcssdefault=107.2
rxctcssfreqs=107.2
txctcssfreqs=107.2
;rxctcssoverride=0
;carrierfrom=dsp
carrierfrom=usb ;dsp
ctcssfrom=no ;usbinvert
rxdemod=speaker ;flat
txprelim=no
txlimonly=no
txtoctype=notone
txmixa=composite
txmixb=no
invertptt=0
duplex=1
rxondelay=0
rxnoisefiltype=0
eeprom=0

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Measuring the RX noise is done if you intend to use the computer to do the carrier squelch using the dsp mode with raw un squelched discriminator audio. It is measured with no signal into the receiver.

Since you have your radio connected with speaker audio there is a hi frequency roll off. The dsp function needs the hi freq. audio (> 3khz) to do the squelch function. With the roll off there is not enough hi freq. to do that.

Anyway, you have chosen to let the radio do the squelch so you do not need to do the RXnoise measurement.
You only need to inject a full quieting signal with 3K tone to the receiver and do a RXvoice measurement to set the RX level.

If you wanted to use the DSP mode to do squelch then you would connect the discriminator to the URI/FOB, set rxdemod =flat, and ctcssfrom=dsp.

Then you would do a rxnoise measurement with no signal. That gives the computer a baseline noise level for the squelch.
Then you would put a full quieting signal with a 1K tone and do a rxvoice measurement. That give the computer a full quieting signal to set the RX level and to compare the noise level with.

Then you would set the dsp squelch with a RXsquelch setting.

VA3RQ

···

On 5/23/2016 12:32 AM, kk6ecm wrote:

I believe I am. So guess I don't have to worry about it eh?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

Sent from iPad

On May 22, 2016, at 8:43 PM, David McGough<kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:

Bob,

rxnoise is set using unsquelched, raw discriminator noise; this level
should always be much higher than an audio test signal.

Perhaps you're using a full-quieting received signal for the rxnoise
source?

73, David KB4FXC

On Sun, 22 May 2016, kk6ecm wrote:

Thanks! Part of the problem was my lack of understanding.

OK... have everything working, but having difficulty understanding the tune
function.

radio tune rxnoise
tune rxnoise maxtries=12, target=23000, tolerance=2750

radio tune rxvoice
target=7200 tolerance=360

I'm passing the rxvoice, but failing the rxnoise. The radio seems to have a
lot of noise, however the measured is a small fraction of the modulated
signal. But the target for the rxnoise is 3 times the level of the
rxvoice... I expected the rxnoise to be much lower than the rxvoice levels,
comparable to what I'm measuring. IaxRpt is "measuring" a lot of noise (gree
bar is showing strong. What am I missing here with respect to these
measurement in the tune? What are the units? Gain? Where rxnoise would
require much more gain (target?) than the rxvoice to achieve some level?

Thanks,

Bob,
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
[mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:32 PM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed

What is the squelch logic coming out of your radio?

If the line changes, does it go low with signal or no signal? And when
it goes low does it pull to ground?

The URI will not see a signal change if only voltage is supplied by the
radio. The radio MUST pull the signal to ground on receive or when
squelched.

If the radio doesn't pull to ground then you may need to connect an NPN
transistor to pull the line to ground. Then set USB radio for usbinvert.

VA3RQ

On 5/22/2016 3:41 PM, kk6ecm wrote:
No change... whenever I have ctcssfrom=no, the PTT on the URIx is active,
and app_rpt won't take DTMF commands. When I switch back to
ctcssfrom=usbinvert, all works normally, however, that configuration does
not work with my substitute receiver.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
[mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 11:21 AM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed

Comment out the ctcss tones listed.
J

On 5/22/2016 2:35 PM, kk6ecm wrote:
I discovered app_rpt does not like ctcssfrom=no. Why? (I'm using DIAL).

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 10:37 AM
To: 'app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org'
Subject: RX Input Adjust Failed

What could cause the Error: RX Input Adjust Failed?

DONE tries=12, setting=1000, meas=58, sqnoise=13
ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.

No RF input to the radio.

I'm attempting to setup a substitute receiver for testing, but am
experiencing difficulty setting it up, and not wanting to make a switch

to

simpleusb, thus making the minimum number of changes.

The substitute receiver (Yaesu FT-1500M) is detecting CTCSS, with USB COR
out, and I'm using the speaker output. (see below conf file)

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

from usbradio_tune...

hdwtype=0
rxboost=1
txboost=1
rxctcssrelax=1
txctcssdefault=107.2
rxctcssfreqs=107.2
txctcssfreqs=107.2
;rxctcssoverride=0
;carrierfrom=dsp
carrierfrom=usb ;dsp
ctcssfrom=no ;usbinvert
rxdemod=speaker ;flat
txprelim=no
txlimonly=no
txtoctype=notone
txmixa=composite
txmixb=no
invertptt=0
duplex=1
rxondelay=0
rxnoisefiltype=0
eeprom=0

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Thanks much!

Bob
kk6ecm
73

···

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
[mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:57 AM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed

Measuring the RX noise is done if you intend to use the computer to do
the carrier squelch using the dsp mode with raw un squelched
discriminator audio. It is measured with no signal into the receiver.

Since you have your radio connected with speaker audio there is a hi
frequency roll off. The dsp function needs the hi freq. audio (> 3khz)
to do the squelch function. With the roll off there is not enough hi
freq. to do that.

Anyway, you have chosen to let the radio do the squelch so you do not
need to do the RXnoise measurement.
You only need to inject a full quieting signal with 3K tone to the
receiver and do a RXvoice measurement to set the RX level.

If you wanted to use the DSP mode to do squelch then you would connect
the discriminator to the URI/FOB, set rxdemod =flat, and ctcssfrom=dsp.

Then you would do a rxnoise measurement with no signal. That gives the
computer a baseline noise level for the squelch.
Then you would put a full quieting signal with a 1K tone and do a
rxvoice measurement. That give the computer a full quieting signal to
set the RX level and to compare the noise level with.

Then you would set the dsp squelch with a RXsquelch setting.

VA3RQ

On 5/23/2016 12:32 AM, kk6ecm wrote:

I believe I am. So guess I don't have to worry about it eh?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

Sent from iPad

On May 22, 2016, at 8:43 PM, David McGough<kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:

Bob,

rxnoise is set using unsquelched, raw discriminator noise; this level
should always be much higher than an audio test signal.

Perhaps you're using a full-quieting received signal for the rxnoise
source?

73, David KB4FXC

On Sun, 22 May 2016, kk6ecm wrote:

Thanks! Part of the problem was my lack of understanding.

OK... have everything working, but having difficulty understanding the

tune

function.

radio tune rxnoise
tune rxnoise maxtries=12, target=23000, tolerance=2750

radio tune rxvoice
target=7200 tolerance=360

I'm passing the rxvoice, but failing the rxnoise. The radio seems to

have a

lot of noise, however the measured is a small fraction of the modulated
signal. But the target for the rxnoise is 3 times the level of the
rxvoice... I expected the rxnoise to be much lower than the rxvoice

levels,

comparable to what I'm measuring. IaxRpt is "measuring" a lot of noise

(gree

bar is showing strong. What am I missing here with respect to these
measurement in the tune? What are the units? Gain? Where rxnoise would
require much more gain (target?) than the rxvoice to achieve some level?

Thanks,

Bob,
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
[mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:32 PM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed

What is the squelch logic coming out of your radio?

If the line changes, does it go low with signal or no signal? And when
it goes low does it pull to ground?

The URI will not see a signal change if only voltage is supplied by the
radio. The radio MUST pull the signal to ground on receive or when
squelched.

If the radio doesn't pull to ground then you may need to connect an NPN
transistor to pull the line to ground. Then set USB radio for usbinvert.

VA3RQ

On 5/22/2016 3:41 PM, kk6ecm wrote:
No change... whenever I have ctcssfrom=no, the PTT on the URIx is

active,

and app_rpt won't take DTMF commands. When I switch back to
ctcssfrom=usbinvert, all works normally, however, that configuration

does

not work with my substitute receiver.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org
[mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of REDBUTTON_CTRL
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 11:21 AM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RX Input Adjust Failed

Comment out the ctcss tones listed.
J

On 5/22/2016 2:35 PM, kk6ecm wrote:
I discovered app_rpt does not like ctcssfrom=no. Why? (I'm using

DIAL).

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

-----Original Message-----
From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 10:37 AM
To: 'app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org'
Subject: RX Input Adjust Failed

What could cause the Error: RX Input Adjust Failed?

DONE tries=12, setting=1000, meas=58, sqnoise=13
ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.

No RF input to the radio.

I'm attempting to setup a substitute receiver for testing, but am
experiencing difficulty setting it up, and not wanting to make a

switch

to

simpleusb, thus making the minimum number of changes.

The substitute receiver (Yaesu FT-1500M) is detecting CTCSS, with USB

COR

out, and I'm using the speaker output. (see below conf file)

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm
73

from usbradio_tune...

hdwtype=0
rxboost=1
txboost=1
rxctcssrelax=1
txctcssdefault=107.2
rxctcssfreqs=107.2
txctcssfreqs=107.2
;rxctcssoverride=0
;carrierfrom=dsp
carrierfrom=usb ;dsp
ctcssfrom=no ;usbinvert
rxdemod=speaker ;flat
txprelim=no
txlimonly=no
txtoctype=notone
txmixa=composite
txmixb=no
invertptt=0
duplex=1
rxondelay=0
rxnoisefiltype=0
eeprom=0

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