Fun with Limey and HP T5710 so far

Here are some notes from my first attempt to get Limey up and running on a T5710 Thin Client (1.2Ghz Transmeta Efferon, 512MB flash chip board (not drive) and 512MB ram - PM705AA model).

It’s not as easy as the Drupal page would lead one to believe…Limey is actually ArchLinux and not CentOS like the ACID install is, so a lot of expected stuff doesn’t work. I’m comfortable with Linux and willing to work through this, and perhaps a small group could write up their experiences with this tier of hardware on the Drupal site.

Notes:

  • Downloaded PenDrive and Ubuntu server ISO to make a bootable 4GB USB drive (this allowed persistent storage of the cfimg files under the /cdrom/doc folder).
  • Booted into USB Rescue and ran fdisk
    to delete two Windows partitions off of 512MB flash.
  • Ran the “dd if=cfimg-1.1.5 of=/dev/sdb” and wrote out 128MB image just fine.
  • Rebooted 5710 and it stuck at “USB Hub detected”. Inserted above USB drive and it proceeded to a login prompt. It does not see the URI at this point. Tried the 1.1.4 and 1.1.5 version for VIA here. Tried the i686-1.1.5 version and it didn’t even get this far.
  • No “This is your first time…” script ran like the Drupal page says. No eth0 came up either.
  • Found out Limey is actually “Archlinux” and found the commands to get on the internet.
  • Ran “ip link set dev eth0 up” and “ip addr add <ip/netmask/> dev eth0”
  • Was able to ping my default
    gateway and then edit /etc/resolv.conf to add “nameserver 8.8.8.8”.
  • How does one save changes back to the flash? The “svcfg” doesn’t seem to exist…
  • Once on the network, I switched to /usr/src and ran “getsrc” which downloaded Asterisk. I tried to do a “configure” but that failed. Read the README and did a usbradio_install but that also failed.
  • This is a really stripped down version of Linux that uses 128MB of memory after installed. I am comfortable around Linux and CentOS and realize Limey isn’t a beginner’s O/S, one that I’m willing to work through.
  • I might buy an 8GB USB drive and use that with a regular ACID install to get more functionality as a try of Ubuntu Server didn’t have enough disk for an install (it did find all the devices just fine under Rescue mode
    since it’s a newer distro), or perhaps CentOS 6.3 and roll my own compile of Allstar.

Comments/suggestions are welcome!

Thanks,

Tony

Limey Linux will only work on a few mini-ITX boards. I was lucky that I
got mine running on a Neoware CA-22. However, the VIA version did not
work, so I used the i686 version. Booted up just fine.

I have noticed I've had plenty trouble with the HP thin clients with
other Linux distros for embedded machines. The older Neowares seem to
run much better, and faster. I'd like to provide an answer for that, but
I honestly don't have a clue why.

DO NOT TRY TO RUN ACID ON A THUMB DRIVE!!!

Limey linux, when booted, loads a compresses image to RAM, then
decompresses it. Limey Linux runs from RAM. ACiD does not. If you try
it, not only will ACiD be slow to boot on a thumb drive, the thumb drive
will die because of all the read/write cycles that are meant for a
spinning hard drive. An allstar user/node owner in Pennsylvania reported
the slow booting.

When dd'ing to flash drive, for most cases you want to specify bs=16k at
the end of the line. You may even try "gunzip -c <.img> | of=/dev/sdx
bs=16k". That is the line I used on DamnSmallLinux console to burn the
Limey Linux image file to the neoware's flash drive. There is zero need
to run cfdisk or any of that mess before hand.

If I remember right, svcfg is located in the /usr/bin, or the /usr/sbin
directory. If it is in one of those two and you cannot do a svcfg from
the prompt, chances are a path got screwed up somewhere. At the prompt,
you might be able to do /usr/sbin/svcfg and that should work.

If you want to try running ACiD on thin client, my best advice is to get
a USB hard drive, and run it from there. You may have to play around
with the formating on the USB hard drive for it to work correctly. Some
BIOSs do not like anything other than VFAT or NTFS for booting purposes.
You may be able to make a double partition and and have VFAT for
booting, and ext3 for anything else. Have fun with grub or lilo to make
sure it boots from the correct partition.

If you really want to get crazy with it, use of of your Linux servers as
a PXE boot server, and have the thin client load the Limey Linux from
there. Not sure how well save would work though.....

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
allstar node 28569

···

On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 08:51 -0800, Tony KT9AC wrote:

Here are some notes from my first attempt to get Limey up and running
on a T5710 Thin Client (1.2Ghz Transmeta Efferon, 512MB flash chip
board (not drive) and 512MB ram - PM705AA model).

It's not as easy as the Drupal page would lead one to believe...Limey
is actually ArchLinux and not CentOS like the ACID install is, so a
lot of expected stuff doesn't work. I'm comfortable with Linux and
willing to work through this, and perhaps a small group could write up
their experiences with this tier of hardware on the Drupal site.

Notes:
      * Downloaded PenDrive and Ubuntu server ISO to make a bootable
        4GB USB drive (this allowed persistent storage of the cfimg
        files under the /cdrom/doc folder).
      * Booted into USB Rescue and ran fdisk to delete two Windows
        partitions off of 512MB flash.
      * Ran the "dd if=cfimg-1.1.5 of=/dev/sdb" and wrote out 128MB
        image just fine.
      * Rebooted 5710 and it stuck at "USB Hub detected". Inserted
        above USB drive and it proceeded to a login prompt. It does
        not see the URI at this point. Tried the 1.1.4 and 1.1.5
        version for VIA here. Tried the i686-1.1.5 version and it
        didn't even get this far.
      * No "This is your first time..." script ran like the Drupal
        page says. No eth0 came up either.
      * Found out Limey is actually "Archlinux" and found the commands
        to get on the internet.
      * Ran "ip link set <ip> dev eth0 up" and "ip addr add
        <ip/netmask/> dev eth0"
      * Was able to ping my default gateway and then
        edit /etc/resolv.conf to add "nameserver 8.8.8.8".
      * How does one save changes back to the flash? The "svcfg"
        doesn't seem to exist...
      * Once on the network, I switched to /usr/src and ran "getsrc"
        which downloaded Asterisk. I tried to do a "configure" but
        that failed. Read the README and did a usbradio_install but
        that also failed.
      * This is a *really* stripped down version of Linux that uses
        128MB of memory after installed. I am comfortable around Linux
        and CentOS and realize Limey isn't a beginner's O/S, one that
        I'm willing to work through.
      * I might buy an 8GB USB drive and use that with a regular ACID
        install to get more functionality as a try of Ubuntu Server
        didn't have enough disk for an install (it did find all the
        devices just fine under Rescue mode since it's a newer
        distro), or perhaps CentOS 6.3 and roll my own compile of
        Allstar.

Comments/suggestions are welcome!
Thanks,
Tony

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Could someone please post a working combination of Linux distro and version of Allstar/Asterisk that is working for them on a Thin Client? I currently have the most current version of ArchLinux running nicely but can't get past the Allstar compile (tried both ACID and Limey 1.1.5 tarballs).

I guess I don't care what the distro is, I just have three Thin Clients than I need to get ready to deploy.

Thanks,
Tony

···

On 2/21/2013 7:57 PM, Benjamin L. Naber wrote:

Limey Linux will only work on a few mini-ITX boards. I was lucky that I
got mine running on a Neoware CA-22. However, the VIA version did not
work, so I used the i686 version. Booted up just fine.

I have noticed I've had plenty trouble with the HP thin clients with
other Linux distros for embedded machines. The older Neowares seem to
run much better, and faster. I'd like to provide an answer for that, but
I honestly don't have a clue why.

DO NOT TRY TO RUN ACID ON A THUMB DRIVE!!!

Limey linux, when booted, loads a compresses image to RAM, then
decompresses it. Limey Linux runs from RAM. ACiD does not. If you try
it, not only will ACiD be slow to boot on a thumb drive, the thumb drive
will die because of all the read/write cycles that are meant for a
spinning hard drive. An allstar user/node owner in Pennsylvania reported
the slow booting.

When dd'ing to flash drive, for most cases you want to specify bs=16k at
the end of the line. You may even try "gunzip -c <.img> | of=/dev/sdx
bs=16k". That is the line I used on DamnSmallLinux console to burn the
Limey Linux image file to the neoware's flash drive. There is zero need
to run cfdisk or any of that mess before hand.

If I remember right, svcfg is located in the /usr/bin, or the /usr/sbin
directory. If it is in one of those two and you cannot do a svcfg from
the prompt, chances are a path got screwed up somewhere. At the prompt,
you might be able to do /usr/sbin/svcfg and that should work.

If you want to try running ACiD on thin client, my best advice is to get
a USB hard drive, and run it from there. You may have to play around
with the formating on the USB hard drive for it to work correctly. Some
BIOSs do not like anything other than VFAT or NTFS for booting purposes.
You may be able to make a double partition and and have VFAT for
booting, and ext3 for anything else. Have fun with grub or lilo to make
sure it boots from the correct partition.

If you really want to get crazy with it, use of of your Linux servers as
a PXE boot server, and have the thin client load the Limey Linux from
there. Not sure how well save would work though.....

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
allstar node 28569

On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 08:51 -0800, Tony KT9AC wrote:

Here are some notes from my first attempt to get Limey up and running
on a T5710 Thin Client (1.2Ghz Transmeta Efferon, 512MB flash chip
board (not drive) and 512MB ram - PM705AA model).

It's not as easy as the Drupal page would lead one to believe...Limey
is actually ArchLinux and not CentOS like the ACID install is, so a
lot of expected stuff doesn't work. I'm comfortable with Linux and
willing to work through this, and perhaps a small group could write up
their experiences with this tier of hardware on the Drupal site.

Notes:
       * Downloaded PenDrive and Ubuntu server ISO to make a bootable
         4GB USB drive (this allowed persistent storage of the cfimg
         files under the /cdrom/doc folder).
       * Booted into USB Rescue and ran fdisk to delete two Windows
         partitions off of 512MB flash.
       * Ran the "dd if=cfimg-1.1.5 of=/dev/sdb" and wrote out 128MB
         image just fine.
       * Rebooted 5710 and it stuck at "USB Hub detected". Inserted
         above USB drive and it proceeded to a login prompt. It does
         not see the URI at this point. Tried the 1.1.4 and 1.1.5
         version for VIA here. Tried the i686-1.1.5 version and it
         didn't even get this far.
       * No "This is your first time..." script ran like the Drupal
         page says. No eth0 came up either.
       * Found out Limey is actually "Archlinux" and found the commands
         to get on the internet.
       * Ran "ip link set <ip> dev eth0 up" and "ip addr add
         <ip/netmask/> dev eth0"
       * Was able to ping my default gateway and then
         edit /etc/resolv.conf to add "nameserver 8.8.8.8".
       * How does one save changes back to the flash? The "svcfg"
         doesn't seem to exist...
       * Once on the network, I switched to /usr/src and ran "getsrc"
         which downloaded Asterisk. I tried to do a "configure" but
         that failed. Read the README and did a usbradio_install but
         that also failed.
       * This is a *really* stripped down version of Linux that uses
         128MB of memory after installed. I am comfortable around Linux
         and CentOS and realize Limey isn't a beginner's O/S, one that
         I'm willing to work through.
       * I might buy an 8GB USB drive and use that with a regular ACID
         install to get more functionality as a try of Ubuntu Server
         didn't have enough disk for an install (it did find all the
         devices just fine under Rescue mode since it's a newer
         distro), or perhaps CentOS 6.3 and roll my own compile of
         Allstar.

Comments/suggestions are welcome!
Thanks,
Tony

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Got acid running on my t5630. But i had to change the flash drive for a small 6 gig drive. A 4 gig one would do…

Just replace the flash drive by a 44 pin ide to cf card adaptor and buy a smal cf format hard disk something like this model number ST650211CF as the HD

The adator look like this : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/CF-Compact-Flash-to-2-5-IDE-44-Pin-Male-Adapter-Card-Type-I-II-III-MicroDrive-/170856977729?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c7de9541&_uhb=1#ht_2893wt_1130

Envoyé de mon iPad

···

Le 23 Feb 2013 à 18:14, “Tony KT9AC” kt9ac@ameritech.net a écrit :

Could someone please post a working combination of Linux distro and version of Allstar/Asterisk that is working for them on a Thin Client? I currently have the most current version of ArchLinux running nicely but can’t get past the Allstar compile (tried both ACID and Limey 1.1.5 tarballs).

I guess I don’t care what the distro is, I just have three Thin Clients than I need to get ready to deploy.

Thanks,
Tony

On 2/21/2013 7:57 PM, Benjamin L. Naber wrote:

Limey Linux will only work on a few mini-ITX boards. I was lucky that I
got mine running on a Neoware CA-22. However, the VIA version did not
work, so I used the i686 version. Booted up just fine.

I have noticed I’ve had plenty trouble with the HP thin clients with
other Linux distros for embedded machines. The older Neowares seem to
run much better, and faster. I’d like to provide an answer for that, but
I honestly don’t have a clue why.

DO NOT TRY TO RUN ACID ON A THUMB DRIVE!!!

Limey linux, when booted, loads a compresses image to RAM, then
decompresses it. Limey Linux runs from RAM. ACiD does not. If you try
it, not only will ACiD be slow to boot on a thumb drive, the thumb drive
will die because of all the read/write cycles that are meant for a
spinning hard drive. An allstar user/node owner in Pennsylvania reported
the slow booting.

When dd’ing to flash drive, for most cases you want to specify bs=16k at
the end of the line. You may even try “gunzip -c <.img> | of=/dev/sdx
bs=16k”. That is the line I used on DamnSmallLinux console to burn the
Limey Linux image file to the neoware’s flash drive. There is zero need
to run cfdisk or any of that mess before hand.

If I remember right, svcfg is located in the /usr/bin, or the /usr/sbin
directory. If it is in one of those two and you cannot do a svcfg from
the prompt, chances are a path got screwed up somewhere. At the prompt,
you might be able to do /usr/sbin/svcfg and that should work.

If you want to try running ACiD on thin client, my best advice is to get
a USB hard drive, and run it from there. You may have to play around
with the formating on the USB hard drive for it to work correctly. Some
BIOSs do not like anything other than VFAT or NTFS for booting purposes.
You may be able to make a double partition and and have VFAT for
booting, and ext3 for anything else. Have fun with grub or lilo to make
sure it boots from the correct partition.

If you really want to get crazy with it, use of of your Linux servers as
a PXE boot server, and have the thin client load the Limey Linux from
there. Not sure how well save would work though…

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
allstar node 28569

On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 08:51 -0800, Tony KT9AC wrote:

Here are some notes from my first attempt to get Limey up and running
on a T5710 Thin Client (1.2Ghz Transmeta Efferon, 512MB flash chip
board (not drive) and 512MB ram - PM705AA model).

It’s not as easy as the Drupal page would lead one to believe…Limey
is actually ArchLinux and not CentOS like the ACID install is, so a
lot of expected stuff doesn’t work. I’m comfortable with Linux and
willing to work through this, and perhaps a small group could write up
their experiences with this tier of hardware on the Drupal site.

Notes:
* Downloaded PenDrive and Ubuntu server ISO to make a bootable
4GB USB drive (this allowed persistent storage of the cfimg
files under the /cdrom/doc folder).
* Booted into USB Rescue and ran fdisk to delete two Windows
partitions off of 512MB flash.
* Ran the “dd if=cfimg-1.1.5 of=/dev/sdb” and wrote out 128MB
image just fine.
* Rebooted 5710 and it stuck at “USB Hub detected”. Inserted
above USB drive and it proceeded to a login prompt. It does
not see the URI at this point. Tried the 1.1.4 and 1.1.5
version for VIA here. Tried the i686-1.1.5 version and it
didn’t even get this far.
* No “This is your first time…” script ran like the Drupal
page says. No eth0 came up either.
* Found out Limey is actually “Archlinux” and found the commands
to get on the internet.
* Ran “ip link set dev eth0 up” and “ip addr add
<ip/netmask/> dev eth0”
* Was able to ping my default gateway and then
edit /etc/resolv.conf to add “nameserver 8.8.8.8”.
* How does one save changes back to the flash? The “svcfg”
doesn’t seem to exist…
* Once on the network, I switched to /usr/src and ran “getsrc”
which downloaded Asterisk. I tried to do a “configure” but
that failed. Read the README and did a usbradio_install but
that also failed.
* This is a really stripped down version of Linux that uses
128MB of memory after installed. I am comfortable around Linux
and CentOS and realize Limey isn’t a beginner’s O/S, one that
I’m willing to work through.
* I might buy an 8GB USB drive and use that with a regular ACID
install to get more functionality as a try of Ubuntu Server
didn’t have enough disk for an install (it did find all the
devices just fine under Rescue mode since it’s a newer
distro), or perhaps CentOS 6.3 and roll my own compile of
Allstar.

Comments/suggestions are welcome!
Thanks,
Tony


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Thanks to everyone who replied, I think I was too caught up in
getting these to run with a “thin” Linux install.

I am going to order a few adapters and new 8GB CF drives. I did

learn that the CF drives work in parallel versus USB sticks that
work in serial and therefore are slower.

Tony
···

On 2/23/2013 6:04 PM, pete M wrote:

    Got acid running on my t5630. But i had to change the flash

drive for a small 6 gig drive. A 4 gig one would do…

    Just replace the flash drive by a 44 pin ide to cf card

adaptor and buy a smal cf format hard disk something like this
model number ST650211CF as the HD

The adator look like this : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/CF-Compact-Flash-to-2-5-IDE-44-Pin-Male-Adapter-Card-Type-I-II-III-MicroDrive-/170856977729?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c7de9541&_uhb=1#ht_2893wt_1130

    Envoyé de mon iPad
    Le 23 Feb 2013 à 18:14, "Tony KT9AC" <kt9ac@ameritech.net        >

a écrit :

        Could someone please post a working combination of

Linux distro and version of Allstar/Asterisk that is working
for them on a Thin Client? I currently have the most current
version of ArchLinux running nicely but can’t get past the
Allstar compile (tried both ACID and Limey 1.1.5 tarballs).

                  I guess I don't care what the distro is, I just have

three Thin Clients than I need to get ready to deploy.

      Thanks,

      Tony





      On 2/21/2013 7:57 PM, Benjamin L. Naber wrote:
          Limey Linux will only work on a

few mini-ITX boards. I was lucky that I
got mine running on a Neoware
CA-22. However, the VIA version did not
work, so I used the i686
version. Booted up just fine.

          I have noticed I've had plenty

trouble with the HP thin clients with
other Linux distros for embedded
machines. The older Neowares seem to
run much better, and faster. I’d
like to provide an answer for that, but
I honestly don’t have a clue
why.

          DO NOT TRY TO RUN ACID ON A

THUMB DRIVE!!!

          Limey linux, when booted, loads

a compresses image to RAM, then
decompresses it. Limey Linux
runs from RAM. ACiD does not. If you try
it, not only will ACiD be slow
to boot on a thumb drive, the thumb drive
will die because of all the
read/write cycles that are meant for a
spinning hard drive. An allstar
user/node owner in Pennsylvania reported
the slow booting.

          When dd'ing to flash drive, for

most cases you want to specify bs=16k at
the end of the line. You may
even try “gunzip -c <.img> | of=/dev/sdx
bs=16k”. That is the line I used
on DamnSmallLinux console to burn the
Limey Linux image file to the
neoware’s flash drive. There is zero need
to run cfdisk or any of that
mess before hand.

          If I remember right, svcfg is

located in the /usr/bin, or the /usr/sbin
directory. If it is in one of
those two and you cannot do a svcfg from
the prompt, chances are a path
got screwed up somewhere. At the prompt,
you might be able to do
/usr/sbin/svcfg and that should work.

          If you want to try running ACiD

on thin client, my best advice is to get
a USB hard drive, and run it
from there. You may have to play around
with the formating on the USB
hard drive for it to work correctly. Some
BIOSs do not like anything other
than VFAT or NTFS for booting purposes.
You may be able to make a double
partition and and have VFAT for
booting, and ext3 for anything
else. Have fun with grub or lilo to make
sure it boots from the correct
partition.

          If you really want to get crazy

with it, use of of your Linux servers as
a PXE boot server, and have the
thin client load the Limey Linux from
there. Not sure how well save
would work though…

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
allstar node 28569

          On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 08:51

-0800, Tony KT9AC wrote:

            Here are some notes from my

first attempt to get Limey up and running
on a T5710 Thin Client (1.2Ghz
Transmeta Efferon, 512MB flash chip
board (not drive) and 512MB
ram - PM705AA model).

            It's not as easy as the Drupal

page would lead one to believe…Limey
is actually ArchLinux and not
CentOS like the ACID install is, so a
lot of expected stuff doesn’t
work. I’m comfortable with Linux and
willing to work through this,
and perhaps a small group could write up
their experiences with this
tier of hardware on the Drupal site.

Notes:
* Downloaded PenDrive
and Ubuntu server ISO to make a bootable
4GB USB drive (this
allowed persistent storage of the cfimg
files under the
/cdrom/doc folder).
* Booted into USB
Rescue and ran fdisk to delete two Windows
partitions off of
512MB flash.
* Ran the “dd
if=cfimg-1.1.5 of=/dev/sdb” and wrote out 128MB
image just fine.
* Rebooted 5710 and it
stuck at “USB Hub detected”. Inserted
above USB drive and
it proceeded to a login prompt. It does
not see the URI at
this point. Tried the 1.1.4 and 1.1.5
version for VIA here.
Tried the i686-1.1.5 version and it
didn’t even get this
far.
* No “This is your
first time…” script ran like the Drupal
page says. No eth0
came up either.
* Found out Limey is
actually “Archlinux” and found the commands
to get on the
internet.
* Ran “ip link set
dev eth0 up” and “ip addr add
<ip/netmask/>
dev eth0”
* Was able to ping my
default gateway and then
edit /etc/resolv.conf
to add “nameserver 8.8.8.8”.
* How does one save
changes back to the flash? The “svcfg”
doesn’t seem to
exist…
* Once on the network,
I switched to /usr/src and ran “getsrc”
which downloaded
Asterisk. I tried to do a “configure” but
that failed. Read the
README and did a usbradio_install but
that also failed.
* This is a really
stripped down version of Linux that uses
128MB of memory after
installed. I am comfortable around Linux
and CentOS and
realize Limey isn’t a beginner’s O/S, one that
I’m willing to work
through.
* I might buy an 8GB
USB drive and use that with a regular ACID
install to get more
functionality as a try of Ubuntu Server
didn’t have enough
disk for an install (it did find all the
devices just fine
under Rescue mode since it’s a newer
distro), or perhaps
CentOS 6.3 and roll my own compile of
Allstar.

            Comments/suggestions are

welcome!
Thanks,
Tony


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