Echolink connection announcement Volume

App_rpt-users
1

We have worked out all the bugs in our RPi2 w/DIAL node, and the repeater
sounds fantastic. We had quite a number of Echolink connections to our local
net this evening, and their audio was very good as well. We do have one
question.

Is there a way to reduce the connection announcement volume during repeater
use? ("Node xxxxx connected to node yyyyy.) I've been going though the
docs.allstarlink.org/drupal site and not found it addressed.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

2

As far as I have known the answer is NO.
Your problem is from improper audio levels in everything else.
Your radio rx audio is probably weak "AND" the tx audio is probably high.
Raise rx and drop tx and it should level out.
I assume your using the 'technical ear scope' method. hihi

You can shut the announcements off.
But I would suggest getting the audio correct.

...mike/kb8jnm

···

We have worked out all the bugs in our RPi2 w/DIAL node, and the repeater
sounds fantastic. We had quite a number of Echolink connections to our local
net this evening, and their audio was very good as well. We do have one
question.

Is there a way to reduce the connection announcement volume during repeater
use? ("Node xxxxx connected to node yyyyy.) I've been going though the
docs.allstarlink.org/drupal site and not found it addressed.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

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3

The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx oval, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

···

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On Jan 4, 2016, at 9:13 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:

As far as I have known the answer is NO.
Your problem is from improper audio levels in everything else.
Your radio rx audio is probably weak "AND" the tx audio is probably high.
Raise rx and drop tx and it should level out.
I assume your using the 'technical ear scope' method. hihi

You can shut the announcements off.
But I would suggest getting the audio correct.

...mike/kb8jnm

We have worked out all the bugs in our RPi2 w/DIAL node, and the repeater
sounds fantastic. We had quite a number of Echolink connections to our local
net this evening, and their audio was very good as well. We do have one
question.

Is there a way to reduce the connection announcement volume during repeater
use? ("Node xxxxx connected to node yyyyy.) I've been going though the
docs.allstarlink.org/drupal site and not found it addressed.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

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4

dont know if this is still up to date..

http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/2011-April/002592.html

-----Message d'origine-----

···

From: kk6ecm
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 9:59 AM
To: mike@midnighteng.com
Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Echolink connection announcement Volume

The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx oval, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Sent from iPad

On Jan 4, 2016, at 9:13 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:

As far as I have known the answer is NO.
Your problem is from improper audio levels in everything else.
Your radio rx audio is probably weak "AND" the tx audio is probably high.
Raise rx and drop tx and it should level out.
I assume your using the 'technical ear scope' method. hihi

You can shut the announcements off.
But I would suggest getting the audio correct.

...mike/kb8jnm

We have worked out all the bugs in our RPi2 w/DIAL node, and the repeater
sounds fantastic. We had quite a number of Echolink connections to our local
net this evening, and their audio was very good as well. We do have one
question.

Is there a way to reduce the connection announcement volume during repeater
use? ("Node xxxxx connected to node yyyyy.) I've been going though the
docs.allstarlink.org/drupal site and not found it addressed.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

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5

Don't you think that was a bit disingenuous not to include that info in your
original message.

If you wanted a work-around for a error you create, state it as such.
Don't waste the time of those trying to help you.

...mike/kb8jnm

···

The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear."
If we raised the rx oval, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty
hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high,
an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Sent from iPad

On Jan 4, 2016, at 9:13 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:

As far as I have known the answer is NO.
Your problem is from improper audio levels in everything else.
Your radio rx audio is probably weak "AND" the tx audio is probably high.
Raise rx and drop tx and it should level out.
I assume your using the 'technical ear scope' method. hihi

You can shut the announcements off.
But I would suggest getting the audio correct.

...mike/kb8jnm

We have worked out all the bugs in our RPi2 w/DIAL node, and the repeater
sounds fantastic. We had quite a number of Echolink connections to our local
net this evening, and their audio was very good as well. We do have one
question.

Is there a way to reduce the connection announcement volume during repeater
use? ("Node xxxxx connected to node yyyyy.) I've been going though the
docs.allstarlink.org/drupal site and not found it addressed.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

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6

You've captured my interest. Our custom recordings are Allison replacements.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

···

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Pete M <petem001@hotmail.com> wrote:

dont know if this is still up to date..

ohnosec.org

-----Message d'origine----- From: kk6ecm
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 9:59 AM
To: mike@midnighteng.com
Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Echolink connection announcement Volume

The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1 calibrated ear." If we raised the rx oval, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of redoing each one.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Sent from iPad

On Jan 4, 2016, at 9:13 PM, mike@midnighteng.com wrote:

As far as I have known the answer is NO.
Your problem is from improper audio levels in everything else.
Your radio rx audio is probably weak "AND" the tx audio is probably high.
Raise rx and drop tx and it should level out.
I assume your using the 'technical ear scope' method. hihi

You can shut the announcements off.
But I would suggest getting the audio correct.

...mike/kb8jnm

7

The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1

calibrated ear."

If we raised the rx level, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have
difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom
recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of

redoing each one.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Record level is tricky in Asterisk. When seen on any editing program, "full
scale" is -6 dB f.s. or 0.5 on the voltage scale. I suspect the reason for
this is that uLaw only produces about 14 bits when converted to linear and
that is what asterisk expects for full scale. (I guess losing those two
bits is equivalent to dividing by four or 6 dB down). Have a look at some
of the Allison GSM files by importing them into Audacity and you will see
the max level is 0.5. Even this is too loud for most people (as newbie
postings have indicated many times). I think a reasonable level is 3 dB down
from full scale - in other words, minus 9 dB relative to full scale (!) or
about 0.3 on the voltage scale.

Ref: http://images.ohnosec.org/app-rpt-audacity.pdf

Regards
Ken
KE2N

8

I'll take a look at it. Our issue boils down to the fact all the volumes are the same, announcements and user voice, and we'd like to have the announcements about half the volume when the repeater is in use. I'm looking at holdofftelem=1 as well as AllStarLink Wiki to see if we can achieve a workable compromise.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

···

Sent from iPad

On Jan 5, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Ken <ke2n@cs.com> wrote:

The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1

calibrated ear."

If we raised the rx level, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have
difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom
recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of

redoing each one.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Record level is tricky in Asterisk. When seen on any editing program, "full
scale" is -6 dB f.s. or 0.5 on the voltage scale. I suspect the reason for
this is that uLaw only produces about 14 bits when converted to linear and
that is what asterisk expects for full scale. (I guess losing those two
bits is equivalent to dividing by four or 6 dB down). Have a look at some
of the Allison GSM files by importing them into Audacity and you will see
the max level is 0.5. Even this is too loud for most people (as newbie
postings have indicated many times). I think a reasonable level is 3 dB down
from full scale - in other words, minus 9 dB relative to full scale (!) or
about 0.3 on the voltage scale.

Ref: http://images.ohnosec.org/app-rpt-audacity.pdf

Regards
Ken
KE2N

9

So what you are looking for is the announcement level to duck to 50 % when somebody is talking at the same time? But normally full level when nobody is talking? Is that what you mean when you say the repeater is in use?

If so, right now DIAL and ACID distros dont do that.

What I have done is set telemdefault to2 and holdofftelem=1.

Setting Telemdefault to 2 makes the telemetry announce if a command is initially sent from the node as per normal, then after a time of inactivity the telemetry goes quiet so you wont hear any connections if somebody connects.

This is good for ongoing nets so that incoming stations joining don't distract conversations.

The holdofftelem=1 just holds off any pending announcements its going to make until the transmitting station unkeys.

If you are looking for the announcements ducking lower when somebody keys, only the XIPPAR distro suports that.

Jon VA3RQ

···

On 1/5/2016 2:26 PM, kk6ecm wrote:

I'll take a look at it. Our issue boils down to the fact all the volumes are the same, announcements and user voice, and we'd like to have the announcements about half the volume when the repeater is in use. I'm looking at holdofftelem=1 as well as AllStarLink Wiki to see if we can achieve a workable compromise.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Sent from iPad

On Jan 5, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Ken <ke2n@cs.com> wrote:

The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1

calibrated ear."

If we raised the rx level, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have
difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom
recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of

redoing each one.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Record level is tricky in Asterisk. When seen on any editing program, "full
scale" is -6 dB f.s. or 0.5 on the voltage scale. I suspect the reason for
this is that uLaw only produces about 14 bits when converted to linear and
that is what asterisk expects for full scale. (I guess losing those two
bits is equivalent to dividing by four or 6 dB down). Have a look at some
of the Allison GSM files by importing them into Audacity and you will see
the max level is 0.5. Even this is too loud for most people (as newbie
postings have indicated many times). I think a reasonable level is 3 dB down
from full scale - in other words, minus 9 dB relative to full scale (!) or
about 0.3 on the voltage scale.

Ref: http://images.ohnosec.org/app-rpt-audacity.pdf

Regards
Ken
KE2N

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10

Precisely, thanks, and understand that function is not supported. I'm thinking holdofftelem=1 is what I need at the moment. Our net operators want to know who is joining in.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

···

Sent from iPad

On Jan 5, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Jon Rorke <jrorke@cogeco.ca> wrote:

So what you are looking for is the announcement level to duck to 50 % when somebody is talking at the same time? But normally full level when nobody is talking? Is that what you mean when you say the repeater is in use?

If so, right now DIAL and ACID distros dont do that.

What I have done is set telemdefault to2 and holdofftelem=1.

Setting Telemdefault to 2 makes the telemetry announce if a command is initially sent from the node as per normal, then after a time of inactivity the telemetry goes quiet so you wont hear any connections if somebody connects.

This is good for ongoing nets so that incoming stations joining don't distract conversations.

The holdofftelem=1 just holds off any pending announcements its going to make until the transmitting station unkeys.

If you are looking for the announcements ducking lower when somebody keys, only the XIPPAR distro suports that.

Jon VA3RQ

On 1/5/2016 2:26 PM, kk6ecm wrote:
I'll take a look at it. Our issue boils down to the fact all the volumes are the same, announcements and user voice, and we'd like to have the announcements about half the volume when the repeater is in use. I'm looking at holdofftelem=1 as well as AllStarLink Wiki to see if we can achieve a workable compromise.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Sent from iPad

On Jan 5, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Ken <ke2n@cs.com> wrote:

The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1

calibrated ear."

If we raised the rx level, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have
difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom
recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force method of

redoing each one.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Record level is tricky in Asterisk. When seen on any editing program, "full
scale" is -6 dB f.s. or 0.5 on the voltage scale. I suspect the reason for
this is that uLaw only produces about 14 bits when converted to linear and
that is what asterisk expects for full scale. (I guess losing those two
bits is equivalent to dividing by four or 6 dB down). Have a look at some
of the Allison GSM files by importing them into Audacity and you will see
the max level is 0.5. Even this is too loud for most people (as newbie
postings have indicated many times). I think a reasonable level is 3 dB down
from full scale - in other words, minus 9 dB relative to full scale (!) or
about 0.3 on the voltage scale.

Ref: http://images.ohnosec.org/app-rpt-audacity.pdf

Regards
Ken
KE2N

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11

Well - I expect you have seen where you can reduce all the "Allison" words
to whatever volume you want, with a single script command.

I do not know what words might somehow be "hard coded" into the program. I
would make a list of what announcements are bothering you and try to find
those words in this directory:

/var/lib/asterisk/sounds
  or
/usr/src/astsrc/sounds/rpt/

and then change a few of them and see if those are what the program uses. I
would be surprised if some words are hard-coded and not changeable.

For example:
   connected.gsm
   disconnected.gsm
   connection-failed.gsm
  remote-already-in-this-mode.gsm

I note that these words are contained in BOTH of those directories mentioned
above. It could be that the system uses words from one directory and the
user is supposed to use words from the other directory.

One last idea - since the second directory is a source file directory, it
may be that you have to restart or even recompile asterisk after changes are
made, before they will take effect. There are some references to sounds in
the makefile. (The system words may be cached on program startup, so that
they do not need to be repeatedly fetched from disk).

73
Ken

GL
Ken

···

-----Original Message-----
From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 2:27 PM
To: Ken <ke2n@cs.com>
Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Echolink connection announcement Volume

I'll take a look at it. Our issue boils down to the fact all the volumes are
the same, announcements and user voice, and we'd like to have the
announcements about half the volume when the repeater is in use. I'm looking
at holdofftelem=1 as well as AllStarLink Wiki to
see if we can achieve a workable compromise.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Sent from iPad

On Jan 5, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Ken <ke2n@cs.com> wrote:

The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1

calibrated ear."

If we raised the rx level, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have
difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom
recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force
method of

redoing each one.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Record level is tricky in Asterisk. When seen on any editing program,
"full scale" is -6 dB f.s. or 0.5 on the voltage scale. I suspect the
reason for this is that uLaw only produces about 14 bits when
converted to linear and that is what asterisk expects for full scale.
(I guess losing those two bits is equivalent to dividing by four or 6
dB down). Have a look at some of the Allison GSM files by importing
them into Audacity and you will see the max level is 0.5. Even this
is too loud for most people (as newbie postings have indicated many
times). I think a reasonable level is 3 dB down from full scale - in
other words, minus 9 dB relative to full scale (!) or about 0.3 on the

voltage scale.

Ref: http://images.ohnosec.org/app-rpt-audacity.pdf

Regards
Ken
KE2N

12

I know for a fact we are using the files in /var/lib/asterisk/sounds. My understanding is, /usr/src/ contains the original source files, and not used during operation. To use them, they need to be copied into /var/lib/asterisk/sounds.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

···

Sent from iPad

On Jan 5, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Ken <ke2n@cs.com> wrote:

Well - I expect you have seen where you can reduce all the "Allison" words
to whatever volume you want, with a single script command.

I do not know what words might somehow be "hard coded" into the program. I
would make a list of what announcements are bothering you and try to find
those words in this directory:

/var/lib/asterisk/sounds
or
/usr/src/astsrc/sounds/rpt/

and then change a few of them and see if those are what the program uses. I
would be surprised if some words are hard-coded and not changeable.

For example:
   connected.gsm
   disconnected.gsm
   connection-failed.gsm
   remote-already-in-this-mode.gsm

I note that these words are contained in BOTH of those directories mentioned
above. It could be that the system uses words from one directory and the
user is supposed to use words from the other directory.

One last idea - since the second directory is a source file directory, it
may be that you have to restart or even recompile asterisk after changes are
made, before they will take effect. There are some references to sounds in
the makefile. (The system words may be cached on program startup, so that
they do not need to be repeatedly fetched from disk).

73
Ken

GL
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: kk6ecm [mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 2:27 PM
To: Ken <ke2n@cs.com>
Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Echolink connection announcement Volume

I'll take a look at it. Our issue boils down to the fact all the volumes are
the same, announcements and user voice, and we'd like to have the
announcements about half the volume when the repeater is in use. I'm looking
at holdofftelem=1 as well as AllStarLink Wiki to
see if we can achieve a workable compromise.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Sent from iPad

On Jan 5, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Ken <ke2n@cs.com> wrote:

The audio was setup using the prescribed method, without the "MK-1

calibrated ear."

If we raised the rx level, and reduced the tx level, then we'd have
difficulty hearing the station id. I suspect the level of our custom
recordings is too high, an I was trying to avoid the brute force
method of

redoing each one.

Thanks,
Bob
kk6ecm

Record level is tricky in Asterisk. When seen on any editing program,
"full scale" is -6 dB f.s. or 0.5 on the voltage scale. I suspect the
reason for this is that uLaw only produces about 14 bits when
converted to linear and that is what asterisk expects for full scale.
(I guess losing those two bits is equivalent to dividing by four or 6
dB down). Have a look at some of the Allison GSM files by importing
them into Audacity and you will see the max level is 0.5. Even this
is too loud for most people (as newbie postings have indicated many
times). I think a reasonable level is 3 dB down from full scale - in
other words, minus 9 dB relative to full scale (!) or about 0.3 on the

voltage scale.

Ref: http://images.ohnosec.org/app-rpt-audacity.pdf

Regards
Ken
KE2N