d-star?

How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool!

K0jsc

Jeffrey S. Carrier
Fire Inspector, Plant Protection
(719) 561-7199 direct
(719) 561-6567 fax
1612 E. Abriendo Ave. Pueblo, Colorado 81004
jeffrey.carrier@evrazincna.com

···

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan@hotmail.com]
Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm
To: 'Allstar User' [app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org]
Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world's most
connectable allstar server :)..

I've now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect
in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital,
etc. What's most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes
into the allstar server.

I just decided that I didn't want to do the rptdir thing, so I'm using
chan_dstar and the dextra_client.. And it really sounds good. I'm
scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time
(not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys).

Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it's like 2 full duplex
repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2
simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar.. Good think I had a whole
bunch of 25W dummy loads :).

since I got everything working, I just figured I'd share. while it wasn't
brain dead easy, it wasn't too difficult either.

Alan

Connect D-Star and I will shut off Hawaii and Las Vegas…

I do NOT want to put up with,listen to or have anything to do with $-Star…

Kirk

···

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Jeffrey S. Carrier jeff.carrier@rmsmsecurity.com wrote:

How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool!

K0jsc

Jeffrey S. Carrier

Fire Inspector, Plant Protection

(719) 561-7199 direct

(719) 561-6567 fax

1612 E. Abriendo Ave. Pueblo, Colorado 81004

jeffrey.carrier@evrazincna.com

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-----Original Message-----

From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan@hotmail.com]

Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm

To: ‘Allstar User’ [app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org]

Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world’s most

connectable allstar server :)…

I’ve now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect

in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital,

etc. What’s most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes

into the allstar server.

I just decided that I didn’t want to do the rptdir thing, so I’m using

chan_dstar and the dextra_client… And it really sounds good. I’m

scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time

(not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys).

Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it’s like 2 full duplex

repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2

simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar… Good think I had a whole

bunch of 25W dummy loads :).

since I got everything working, I just figured I’d share. while it wasn’t

brain dead easy, it wasn’t too difficult either.

Alan


App_rpt-users mailing list

App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org

http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

MotoTRBO will stay “MOTOTRBO” if I have any say. We have no need/desire for a interconnection to $-Star…

Kirk

···

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Jeffrey S. Carrier jeff.carrier@rmsmsecurity.com wrote:

How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool!

K0jsc

Jeffrey S. Carrier

Fire Inspector, Plant Protection

(719) 561-7199 direct

(719) 561-6567 fax

1612 E. Abriendo Ave. Pueblo, Colorado 81004

jeffrey.carrier@evrazincna.com

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-----Original Message-----

From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan@hotmail.com]

Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm

To: ‘Allstar User’ [app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org]

Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world’s most

connectable allstar server :)…

I’ve now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect

in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital,

etc. What’s most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes

into the allstar server.

I just decided that I didn’t want to do the rptdir thing, so I’m using

chan_dstar and the dextra_client… And it really sounds good. I’m

scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time

(not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys).

Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it’s like 2 full duplex

repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2

simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar… Good think I had a whole

bunch of 25W dummy loads :).

since I got everything working, I just figured I’d share. while it wasn’t

brain dead easy, it wasn’t too difficult either.

Alan


App_rpt-users mailing list

App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org

http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

I've already done the *cheap* analog to NXDN :)... it's easy... I just connect my RTCM to the transcoded audio at the repeater. Poof done... analog to NXDN the easy way :slight_smile:

It actually sounds pretty good too...

Alan

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey S. Carrier [mailto:jeff.carrier@rmsmsecurity.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:15 PM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org; adamson_alan@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool!

K0jsc

Jeffrey S. Carrier
Fire Inspector, Plant Protection
(719) 561-7199 direct
(719) 561-6567 fax
1612 E. Abriendo Ave. Pueblo, Colorado 81004
jeffrey.carrier@evrazincna.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan@hotmail.com]
Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm
To: 'Allstar User' [app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org]
Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world's most
connectable allstar server :)..

I've now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect
in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital,
etc. What's most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes
into the allstar server.

I just decided that I didn't want to do the rptdir thing, so I'm using
chan_dstar and the dextra_client.. And it really sounds good. I'm
scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time
(not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys).

Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it's like 2 full duplex
repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2
simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar.. Good think I had a whole
bunch of 25W dummy loads :).

since I got everything working, I just figured I'd share. while it wasn't
brain dead easy, it wasn't too difficult either.

Alan

There's a 26 pin jack on the back of the MOTOTRBO radios, so it could easily be hooked to a URI (well at least on the XPR 5550, which is what I am running, not sure about other models. I think the 4550 has it as well). And I am also unsure if the audio is present in digital mode, it's not on the repeaters, but unsure about the mobiles. It should be though, there are several software packages out there that actually depend on a radio being connected.

Native bridging? I don't think that will be easy. There's a product out there that will allow you to hook a radio to it and then bridge it to the TRBO network, but it's not cheap (about $2,600). Motorola is also very tight lipped about their protocol. I am working on getting accepted into the developer's program, but if I do get in I have to sign an NDA and I don't think I can make anything I potentially create open sourced because of it. I think there are people that have done what I describe above though, seems like I've heard some chatter about it. Believe me.... I would LOVE to see a "chan_trbo" or better yet a "chan_dmr" and be able to link both Hytera and MOTOTRBO together in a app_rpt box, but the nature of the closed IPSC protocols for both may prevent that from happening. It's not impossible, the protocol could easily be studied with a packet dump, but would probably take some serious code to make it all work.

The bigger problem with all this is that the MOTOTRBO network operators (DMR-MARC, DCI, etc) may frown on such an installation. This is the reason I have not pursued this myself yet, there is a strong (and rightfully so) belief to keep the network all MOTOTRBO.

Wishful thinking anyhow....

Stephen
K1LNX

···

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey S. Carrier
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:15 PM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org; adamson_alan@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool!

K0jsc

Jeffrey S. Carrier
Fire Inspector, Plant Protection
(719) 561-7199 direct
(719) 561-6567 fax
1612 E. Abriendo Ave. Pueblo, Colorado 81004 jeffrey.carrier@evrazincna.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan@hotmail.com]
Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm
To: 'Allstar User' [app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org]
Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world's most connectable allstar server :)..

I've now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital, etc. What's most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes into the allstar server.

I just decided that I didn't want to do the rptdir thing, so I'm using chan_dstar and the dextra_client.. And it really sounds good. I'm scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time (not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys).

Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it's like 2 full duplex repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2 simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar.. Good think I had a whole bunch of 25W dummy loads :).

since I got everything working, I just figured I'd share. while it wasn't brain dead easy, it wasn't too difficult either.

Alan

FROWN on it? I kid you not…

I run 2 of the Hawaii MotoTRBO and 1 of the Las Vegas MotoTRBO…

The first time I hear a interconnect from D-Star they all go dark…

Kirk

···

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Stephen - K1LNX k1lnx@k1lnx.net wrote:

There’s a 26 pin jack on the back of the MOTOTRBO radios, so it could easily be hooked to a URI (well at least on the XPR 5550, which is what I am running, not sure about other models. I think the 4550 has it as well). And I am also unsure if the audio is present in digital mode, it’s not on the repeaters, but unsure about the mobiles. It should be though, there are several software packages out there that actually depend on a radio being connected.

Native bridging? I don’t think that will be easy. There’s a product out there that will allow you to hook a radio to it and then bridge it to the TRBO network, but it’s not cheap (about $2,600). Motorola is also very tight lipped about their protocol. I am working on getting accepted into the developer’s program, but if I do get in I have to sign an NDA and I don’t think I can make anything I potentially create open sourced because of it. I think there are people that have done what I describe above though, seems like I’ve heard some chatter about it. Believe me… I would LOVE to see a “chan_trbo” or better yet a “chan_dmr” and be able to link both Hytera and MOTOTRBO together in a app_rpt box, but the nature of the closed IPSC protocols for both may prevent that from happening. It’s not impossible, the protocol could easily be studied with a packet dump, but would probably take some serious code to make it all work.

The bigger problem with all this is that the MOTOTRBO network operators (DMR-MARC, DCI, etc) may frown on such an installation. This is the reason I have not pursued this myself yet, there is a strong (and rightfully so) belief to keep the network all MOTOTRBO.

Wishful thinking anyhow…

Stephen

K1LNX

-----Original Message-----

From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey S. Carrier

Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:15 PM

To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org; adamson_alan@hotmail.com

Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool!

K0jsc

Jeffrey S. Carrier

Fire Inspector, Plant Protection

(719) 561-7199 direct

(719) 561-6567 fax

1612 E. Abriendo Ave. Pueblo, Colorado 81004 jeffrey.carrier@evrazincna.com

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-----Original Message-----

From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan@hotmail.com]

Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm

To: ‘Allstar User’ [app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org]

Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world’s most connectable allstar server :)…

I’ve now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital, etc. What’s most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes into the allstar server.

I just decided that I didn’t want to do the rptdir thing, so I’m using chan_dstar and the dextra_client… And it really sounds good. I’m scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time (not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys).

Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it’s like 2 full duplex repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2 simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar… Good think I had a whole bunch of 25W dummy loads :).

since I got everything working, I just figured I’d share. while it wasn’t brain dead easy, it wasn’t too difficult either.

Alan


App_rpt-users mailing list

App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org

http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

It’s amazing how spirited this discussion can get.

I’m certainly NOT proposing it as an everyone do…. I did it because I have 3 NXDN repeaters on the air (soon to be 5), the are pretty close cousins to D-STAR without all the ugliness of the USTRUST, callsign routing, and the crap that goes on with the politics of D-Star - Can you tell I’m NOT a fan.

BUT with that said. I wanted to see how things sounded back and forth and how good I could make them sound. Besides I’ve met some really great people up in Canada via my setup and so it shall most likely stay for me.

My other motivation…. Seems that the true D-Star guys just HATE it when you link analog to digital…. So I’m quite proud of doing it…. I just manage it so that my setup doesn’t fall on the REF’s or the USTRUST, it’s pretty happy to run on the ircddb and XREF/DCS reflectors.

Isn’t it great that this hobby is structured to allow tinkering, development, advancement, enjoyment, and having fun…. All those things that it seems some I the D-Star world don’t want to happen…. For me, I simply don’t get it… present company excluded (hmm, maybe I can’t say that I heard that a bunch of allstar guys switched to D-Star…. wow, I don’t get that either :))…

Oh, and as for MotoTurbo, I’m afraid it’s going to be short lived. Most all the States around here are not granting licenses for anything more than 20-25W on the commercial side. Seems the TDMA causes wicked sideband interference to adjacent channels. It’s an intrinsic problem that I don’t think can be remedied. Plus I really like being 6.25khz wide NOW, which obviously turbo isn’t… it’s still a 12.5khz signal that just happens to have 2 TDMA channels running inside of it… :slight_smile:

Alan

···

From: Kirk Just Kirk [mailto:wb6egr@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:30 PM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org; adamson_alan@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

MotoTRBO will stay “MOTOTRBO” if I have any say. We have no need/desire for a interconnection to $-Star…

Kirk

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Jeffrey S. Carrier jeff.carrier@rmsmsecurity.com wrote:

How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool!

K0jsc

Jeffrey S. Carrier
Fire Inspector, Plant Protection
(719) 561-7199 direct
(719) 561-6567 fax
1612 E. Abriendo Ave. Pueblo, Colorado 81004
jeffrey.carrier@evrazincna.com

Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan@hotmail.com]
Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm
To: ‘Allstar User’ [app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org]
Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world’s most
connectable allstar server :)…

I’ve now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect
in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital,
etc. What’s most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes
into the allstar server.

I just decided that I didn’t want to do the rptdir thing, so I’m using
chan_dstar and the dextra_client… And it really sounds good. I’m
scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time
(not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys).

Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it’s like 2 full duplex
repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2
simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar… Good think I had a whole
bunch of 25W dummy loads :).

since I got everything working, I just figured I’d share. while it wasn’t
brain dead easy, it wasn’t too difficult either.

Alan


App_rpt-users mailing list
App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

Ok, that sounds like a challenge :)…. How to shut off 3 motortrbo repeaters all at once :)….

Just kidding of course Kirk, but I couldn’t resist the temptation…

Alan

···

From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Just Kirk
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:43 PM
To: Stephen - K1LNX
Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

FROWN on it? I kid you not…

I run 2 of the Hawaii MotoTRBO and 1 of the Las Vegas MotoTRBO…

The first time I hear a interconnect from D-Star they all go dark…

Kirk

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Stephen - K1LNX k1lnx@k1lnx.net wrote:

There’s a 26 pin jack on the back of the MOTOTRBO radios, so it could easily be hooked to a URI (well at least on the XPR 5550, which is what I am running, not sure about other models. I think the 4550 has it as well). And I am also unsure if the audio is present in digital mode, it’s not on the repeaters, but unsure about the mobiles. It should be though, there are several software packages out there that actually depend on a radio being connected.

Native bridging? I don’t think that will be easy. There’s a product out there that will allow you to hook a radio to it and then bridge it to the TRBO network, but it’s not cheap (about $2,600). Motorola is also very tight lipped about their protocol. I am working on getting accepted into the developer’s program, but if I do get in I have to sign an NDA and I don’t think I can make anything I potentially create open sourced because of it. I think there are people that have done what I describe above though, seems like I’ve heard some chatter about it. Believe me… I would LOVE to see a “chan_trbo” or better yet a “chan_dmr” and be able to link both Hytera and MOTOTRBO together in a app_rpt box, but the nature of the closed IPSC protocols for both may prevent that from happening. It’s not impossible, the protocol could easily be studied with a packet dump, but would probably take some serious code to make it all work.

The bigger problem with all this is that the MOTOTRBO network operators (DMR-MARC, DCI, etc) may frown on such an installation. This is the reason I have not pursued this myself yet, there is a strong (and rightfully so) belief to keep the network all MOTOTRBO.

Wishful thinking anyhow…

Stephen
K1LNX

-----Original Message-----
From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey S. Carrier
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:15 PM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org; adamson_alan@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool!

K0jsc

Jeffrey S. Carrier
Fire Inspector, Plant Protection
(719) 561-7199 direct
(719) 561-6567 fax
1612 E. Abriendo Ave. Pueblo, Colorado 81004 jeffrey.carrier@evrazincna.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan@hotmail.com]
Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm
To: ‘Allstar User’ [app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org]
Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world’s most connectable allstar server :)…

I’ve now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital, etc. What’s most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes into the allstar server.

I just decided that I didn’t want to do the rptdir thing, so I’m using chan_dstar and the dextra_client… And it really sounds good. I’m scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time (not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys).

Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it’s like 2 full duplex repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2 simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar… Good think I had a whole bunch of 25W dummy loads :).

since I got everything working, I just figured I’d share. while it wasn’t brain dead easy, it wasn’t too difficult either.

Alan


App_rpt-users mailing list
App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

Well I will take the other side then… I will help with any interconnect testing then… Everything has it’s place… we do analog to dmr patching now… So Stephen if you are looking for testing I would be up for it if you get that far… we have 10 IPSC repeaters now on the DMR side… and more on analog with more app_rpt controllers coming online for things… I am game to hack/test anything…

···

Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498

fred@moses.bz

On Aug 12, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:

FROWN on it? I kid you not…
I run 2 of the Hawaii MotoTRBO and 1 of the Las Vegas MotoTRBO…

The first time I hear a interconnect from D-Star they all go dark…

Kirk

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Stephen - K1LNX k1lnx@k1lnx.net wrote:

There’s a 26 pin jack on the back of the MOTOTRBO radios, so it could easily be hooked to a URI (well at least on the XPR 5550, which is what I am running, not sure about other models. I think the 4550 has it as well). And I am also unsure if the audio is present in digital mode, it’s not on the repeaters, but unsure about the mobiles. It should be though, there are several software packages out there that actually depend on a radio being connected.

Native bridging? I don’t think that will be easy. There’s a product out there that will allow you to hook a radio to it and then bridge it to the TRBO network, but it’s not cheap (about $2,600). Motorola is also very tight lipped about their protocol. I am working on getting accepted into the developer’s program, but if I do get in I have to sign an NDA and I don’t think I can make anything I potentially create open sourced because of it. I think there are people that have done what I describe above though, seems like I’ve heard some chatter about it. Believe me… I would LOVE to see a “chan_trbo” or better yet a “chan_dmr” and be able to link both Hytera and MOTOTRBO together in a app_rpt box, but the nature of the closed IPSC protocols for both may prevent that from happening. It’s not impossible, the protocol could easily be studied with a packet dump, but would probably take some serious code to make it all work.

The bigger problem with all this is that the MOTOTRBO network operators (DMR-MARC, DCI, etc) may frown on such an installation. This is the reason I have not pursued this myself yet, there is a strong (and rightfully so) belief to keep the network all MOTOTRBO.

Wishful thinking anyhow…

Stephen

K1LNX

-----Original Message-----

From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey S. Carrier

Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:15 PM

To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org; adamson_alan@hotmail.com

Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool!

K0jsc

Jeffrey S. Carrier

Fire Inspector, Plant Protection

(719) 561-7199 direct

(719) 561-6567 fax

1612 E. Abriendo Ave. Pueblo, Colorado 81004 jeffrey.carrier@evrazincna.com

Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown

-----Original Message-----

From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan@hotmail.com]

Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm

To: ‘Allstar User’ [app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org]

Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world’s most connectable allstar server :)…

I’ve now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital, etc. What’s most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes into the allstar server.

I just decided that I didn’t want to do the rptdir thing, so I’m using chan_dstar and the dextra_client… And it really sounds good. I’m scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time (not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys).

Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it’s like 2 full duplex repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2 simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar… Good think I had a whole bunch of 25W dummy loads :).

since I got everything working, I just figured I’d share. while it wasn’t brain dead easy, it wasn’t too difficult either.

Alan


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Alan
With the connection to the NXDN radios are you able link to other NXDN radios natively? (ie, through the ethernet jack?)
Or is simply just cross-connected to Allstar? If so, you are just creating another connection to an analogue network.
What would be interesting is an NXDN Network with a hook to Allstar.
There is a group looking at interfacing NXDN to D-STAR.
Eric Meth - ve3ei

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On 12/08/2012 8:32 PM, Alan Adamson wrote:

I've already done the *cheap* analog to NXDN :)... it's easy... I just connect my RTCM to the transcoded audio at the repeater. Poof done... analog to NXDN the easy way :slight_smile:

It actually sounds pretty good too...

Alan

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To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org; adamson_alan@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool!

K0jsc

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan@hotmail.com]
Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm
To: 'Allstar User' [app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org]
Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world's most
connectable allstar server :)..

I've now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect
in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital,
etc. What's most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes
into the allstar server.

I just decided that I didn't want to do the rptdir thing, so I'm using
chan_dstar and the dextra_client.. And it really sounds good. I'm
scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time
(not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys).

Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it's like 2 full duplex
repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2
simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar.. Good think I had a whole
bunch of 25W dummy loads :).

since I got everything working, I just figured I'd share. while it wasn't
brain dead easy, it wasn't too difficult either.

Alan

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I guess my reply to this never made
it. I’m not suggesting, recommending or endorsing a TRBO to DSTAR Bridge,
patch or intertie. Merely mentioning that it would be nice to use the
local slot on my 8400 linked into allstar NOT $star. As others paved the
way before I did, I’m finding that using allstar to link analog machines
via private WLAN seems to be a great way to build a system. Having a TRBO
node would be nice.

Allstar has been so nice I’m
considering dumping echolink connects all together since 98% of them sound
horribly OVERDRIVEN and just crappy.

And yes the folks at dmr-marc, dci and
trbo6 don’t want analog on their systems. My machine is linked to
others in the state for emcom so being able to tie analog to digital is a good
option to have.

Connecting an XPR4550 to a URI on a
digital channel sounds NASTY. Tried it, the only way to go would be via
IPSC which probably isn’t going to happen.

73 de
K0JSC

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From: Kirk Just Kirk
[mailto:wb6egr@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 6:43
PM
To: Stephen - K1LNX
Cc: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users]
d-star?

FROWN on it? I kid you not…

I run 2 of the Hawaii MotoTRBO and 1 of the Las Vegas MotoTRBO…

The first time I hear a interconnect from D-Star they all go dark…

Kirk

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Stephen - K1LNX k1lnx@k1lnx.net wrote:

There’s a 26 pin jack on the back of the MOTOTRBO radios, so it
could easily be hooked to a URI (well at least on the XPR 5550, which is
what I am running, not sure about other models. I think the 4550 has it as
well). And I am also unsure if the audio is present in digital mode, it’s not
on the repeaters, but unsure about the mobiles. It should be though, there are
several software packages out there that actually depend on a radio being
connected.

Native bridging? I don’t think that will be easy. There’s a product out there
that will allow you to hook a radio to it and then bridge it to the TRBO
network, but it’s not cheap (about $2,600). Motorola is also very tight lipped
about their protocol. I am working on getting accepted into the developer’s
program, but if I do get in I have to sign an NDA and I don’t think I can make
anything I potentially create open sourced because of it. I think there are
people that have done what I describe above though, seems like I’ve heard some
chatter about it. Believe me… I would LOVE to see a “chan_trbo” or
better yet a “chan_dmr” and be able to link both Hytera and MOTOTRBO
together in a app_rpt box, but the nature of the closed IPSC protocols for both
may prevent that from happening. It’s not impossible, the protocol could easily
be studied with a packet dump, but would probably take some serious code to
make it all work.

The bigger problem with all this is that the MOTOTRBO network operators
(DMR-MARC, DCI, etc) may frown on such an installation. This is the reason I
have not pursued this myself yet, there is a strong (and rightfully so) belief
to keep the network all MOTOTRBO.

Wishful thinking anyhow…

Stephen

K1LNX

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Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool!

K0jsc

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-----Original Message-----

From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan@hotmail.com]

Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm

To: ‘Allstar User’ [app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org]

Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world’s most
connectable allstar server :)…

I’ve now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect in,
my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital, etc.
What’s most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes
into the allstar server.

I just decided that I didn’t want to do the rptdir thing, so I’m using
chan_dstar and the dextra_client… And it really sounds good. I’m
scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time
(not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys).

Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it’s like 2 full duplex
repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2 simplex
bases, one for d-star one for allstar… Good think I had a whole bunch of 25W
dummy loads :).

since I got everything working, I just figured I’d share. while it wasn’t brain
dead easy, it wasn’t too difficult either.

Alan


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Funny, my machine is co-located with
amateur and commercial equipment with no issues what-so-ever. I’m
also running 100 watt MTR3000’s right along side CDR700’s less than
1 meg apart with no problems. P25 will be TDMA in the next few years
too. Nobody bashed NXDN but you have to have a heck of a budget to get
into a system like that. KW’s amateur line is awesome but I’ve
never been a fan of their commercial line…but that’s just “my”
opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

Jeff

Here’s what’s funny about the price options on NXDN… I can’t talk for kenwood, I don’t have any of theirs.

Icom repeaters are approx $700 - all you need is a UR-FR6000 (or 5000 if you want vhf), I’ve picked those up for that price and less a few times. That’s everything with controller, add duplexer, power supply and antenna and you are on the air. Those are 25w 100% duty cycle repeaters. While the HT’s are a bit expensive, the mobiles are cheaper than d-star mobiles.

NXDN is quite good at extending the footprint of an analog system. I can’t speak for the other commercial gear, but for NXDN, that’s 1/2 the price of a d-star repeater, way better equipment, and you can do both 25khz FM and 6.25 digital on them so transition for a user base is extremely easy…

Ok, I suppose we better turn this back to app_rpt talk and not create another repeater builder. If anyone want NXDN info, contact me off list.

Oh, and for the question, yes, you can do native IP based NXDN linking… my repeaters in Atlanta, are linked to Ohio and to FLA. And while not too flexible at the moment, we are working on that.

Lastly, aside from the DVSI chip, which everyone else uses as well, the nxdn specs were just released a month ago, which opens all kinds of possibilities.

Doing nxdn to dstar…. why bother, scrap the dstar gear and just get nxdn gear, that’s what quite a number of places are doing!..

Alan

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From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey S. Carrier
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 1:40 AM
To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star?

Funny, my machine is co-located with amateur and commercial equipment with no issues what-so-ever. I’m also running 100 watt MTR3000’s right along side CDR700’s less than 1 meg apart with no problems. P25 will be TDMA in the next few years too. Nobody bashed NXDN but you have to have a heck of a budget to get into a system like that. KW’s amateur line is awesome but I’ve never been a fan of their commercial line…but that’s just “my” opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

Jeff