Allstar Node

KV4S · December 26, 2018, 5:05am

Hey Rodger,

Unfortunately, I don’t have a document for building a Allstar with a radio.

The first article on my website covers a Allstar to DMR bridge and setting up a radioless Allstar hub.

However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes also come with the HamVoip software.

He may can give you some tips since you have most all the pieces.

Otherwise, I would point you to the Allstar email list.

I like the HamVoip software but you can run ASL as well on a Raspberry Pi.

here are the emails for both groups:

HamVoip: arm-allstar@hamvoip.org Web: https://hamvoip.org

ASL: app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org Web: https://allstarlink.org

Hope that helps let me know if you have any questions.

73,

Russell Thomas, KV4S

Cell: 205.202.1701

DMR Private: 3101393

DMR TG: 31013

D-Star Call Route (UR): KV4S

D-Star: XRF334C

AllStar: 47923

IRLP: 4535

EchoLink: KV4S-L (1003254)

HamShackHotline: 614

Web: http://KV4S.com

···

On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 9:45 PM Rodger Hanson rodger_hanson@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

Hello Russell

I was put onto you from a fellow ham here in New Zealand, that said you

had a very good document on how to put together an allstar node.

I have a Raspberry Pi 3, and couple of BF888s radios and two USB sound

cards, but not sure on the software to put onto the raspberry pi 3 and

how to connect it all.

Would you mind sharing you document if one should exist?

Have a Merry Christmas and happy New Year.

73 de Rodger - ZL1RAH

W9CR · December 26, 2018, 5:57am

I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright
infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.

73's

···

On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:

However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF
radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes
also come with the HamVoip software.

--
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net

larry · December 26, 2018, 8:33am

Bryan,

I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists. However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL OLD!!! With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about take your personal rant elsewhere?

Larry - N7FM

···

On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:

On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:

However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF
radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes
also come with the HamVoip software.

I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright
infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.

73's

TK1BI · December 26, 2018, 10:12am

I personally never understood why so few ham developers adopt the open source concept, and distribute closed-source software. Open-Source is perfectly suited for our non-profit and mutual instruction activity. Unfortunately, past (and present) of ham software is full of bad experiences caused by closed-source software. In the other hand, many skilled guys are writing grezat open-source software. My opinion is that we should encourage them, promote their work, and we must prompt much more people to use open-source, which is full of benefits for our activity.

Lots of big commercial companies are embracing open-source, which does not conflict with business. Why shlouldn't we be able to do the same ?

Our choice, here in Corsica, is to ban all software that is not open-source from our servers. We won't prevent our users from connecting to existing "closed-software" or "closed-infrastructure" networks. But we decided to build our network only with open-source software, and forget the rest.

Many thanks again for those who provide high quality software in open-source, best wishes for open-source development and promotion !

73 de TK1BI

···

Le 26/12/2018 à 06:57, Bryan Fields a écrit :

I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright
infringement

David_McGough · December 26, 2018, 10:51am

Bryan,

Like always, your statements continue to be FALSE.

The only thing criminal going on here is your continuous stream of LIBEL.

Turn over a new leaf for 2019.

Happy New Year

73, David KB4FXC

···

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan Fields wrote:

On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
> However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF
> radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes
> also come with the HamVoip software.

I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright
infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.

73's

Mike_Besemer_WM4B · December 26, 2018, 12:56pm

Careful Larry... cross the wrong guy and you could end up with a website registered against your callsign linked to a porn site.

···

-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of larry
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:33 AM
To: app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

Bryan,

I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists.
However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip
happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative
BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful
to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative
comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one
that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL
OLD!!! With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when
the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about
take your personal rant elsewhere?

Larry - N7FM

On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:

On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:

However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF
radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes
also come with the HamVoip software.

I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright
infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.

73's

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David_McGough · December 26, 2018, 1:19pm

Yeah, Like me! Have a look at:

Typical behavior of Bryan, W9CR, the blooming idiot! This is the same
behavior he uses against anybody who he passionately dislikes. He starts a
ugly disinformation campaign. Take the Florida Repeater council, as
another example:

http://frcreform.org/

Well, the old saying that applies is simple: Give a fool enough rope and
they'll hang themselves.

W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

So, if you, too, are one of the "lucky ones" who W9CR has posted LIBELOUS
content about, send me a personal e-mail. I would like to discuss the
situation with you.

W9CR is damaged goods.

73, David KB4FXC

···

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

Careful Larry... cross the wrong guy and you could end up with a website registered against your callsign linked to a porn site.

-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of larry
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:33 AM
To: app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

Bryan,

I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists.
However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip
happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative
BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful
to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative
comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one
that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL
OLD!!! With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when
the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about
take your personal rant elsewhere?

Larry - N7FM

On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
>> However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF
>> radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes
>> also come with the HamVoip software.
> I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright
> infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
>
> 73's

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Mike_Besemer_WM4B · December 26, 2018, 1:38pm

I wonder if the registration for those sites looks like the info below.

Whoever the registrant is, that individual is a total coward.

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Reseller Email:
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automated inquiries (for any intent other than the registration or
modification of a domain name) are strictly forbidden. Copy of whole or part
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alternate procedure established by the Registry in question or brought
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···

-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On
Behalf Of David McGough
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:19 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

Yeah, Like me! Have a look at:

Typical behavior of Bryan, W9CR, the blooming idiot! This is the same
behavior he uses against anybody who he passionately dislikes. He starts a
ugly disinformation campaign. Take the Florida Repeater council, as
another example:

http://frcreform.org/

Well, the old saying that applies is simple: Give a fool enough rope and
they'll hang themselves.

W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

So, if you, too, are one of the "lucky ones" who W9CR has posted LIBELOUS
content about, send me a personal e-mail. I would like to discuss the
situation with you.

W9CR is damaged goods.

73, David KB4FXC

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

Careful Larry... cross the wrong guy and you could end up with a website

registered against your callsign linked to a porn site.

-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org]

On Behalf Of larry

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:33 AM
To: app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

Bryan,

I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists.
However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip
happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative
BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful
to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative
comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one
that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL
OLD!!! With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when
the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about
take your personal rant elsewhere?

Larry - N7FM

On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
>> However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those

BF

>> radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his

nodes

>> also come with the HamVoip software.
> I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal

copyright

> infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
>
> 73's

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David_McGough · December 26, 2018, 1:46pm

Notice that the Registrant state is Florida! Agreed, he is a BULLY
and a COWARD.

···

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

I wonder if the registration for those sites looks like the info below.

Whoever the registrant is, that individual is a total coward.

Raw WHOIS Record

Domain Name:
Registry Domain ID: 2047650657_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.gandi.net
Registrar URL: http://www.gandi.net
Updated Date: 2018-10-25T00:53:18Z
Creation Date: 2016-07-29T23:33:44Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2020-07-29T23:33:44Z
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Reseller:
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>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2018-12-26T13:36:00Z <<<

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-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On
Behalf Of David McGough
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:19 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

Yeah, Like me! Have a look at:

http://kb4fxc.com
http://kb4fxc.net
http://kb4fxc.org

Typical behavior of Bryan, W9CR, the blooming idiot! This is the same
behavior he uses against anybody who he passionately dislikes. He starts a
ugly disinformation campaign. Take the Florida Repeater council, as
another example:

http://frcreform.org/

Well, the old saying that applies is simple: Give a fool enough rope and
they'll hang themselves.

W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

So, if you, too, are one of the "lucky ones" who W9CR has posted LIBELOUS
content about, send me a personal e-mail. I would like to discuss the
situation with you.

W9CR is damaged goods.

73, David KB4FXC

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

> Careful Larry... cross the wrong guy and you could end up with a website
registered against your callsign linked to a porn site.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org]
On Behalf Of larry
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:33 AM
> To: app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
>
> Bryan,
>
> I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists.
> However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip
> happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative
> BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful
> to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative
> comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one
> that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL
> OLD!!! With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when
> the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about
> take your personal rant elsewhere?
>
> Larry - N7FM
>
>
> On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> > On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
> >> However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those
BF
> >> radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his
nodes
> >> also come with the HamVoip software.
> > I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal
copyright
> > infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
> >
> > 73's
>
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W9CR · December 26, 2018, 1:55pm

It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are a
fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you are
and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.

···

On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:

W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

--
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David_McGough · December 26, 2018, 2:04pm

"WE" ??? Yet another, typical delutional outburst.

Dude, you're already up to your neck in quicksand.

And, you're right, all the world sees this, except you.

···

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan Fields wrote:

On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
> W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
> of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are a
fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you are
and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.

Mike_Besemer_WM4B · December 26, 2018, 4:56pm

So you've file a lawsuit?

···

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:

W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are
a
fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you
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and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.

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EDPnJAX · December 26, 2018, 5:08pm

Let it go guys… ALL of you!

This isn’t productive, in fact it’s destructive. The list isn’t meant for this junk.

···

On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:

So you've file a lawsuit?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:

W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are
a
fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you
are
and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.

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David_McGough · December 26, 2018, 5:35pm

Well, if you were the subject of an aggressive personal attack from an
Internet Bully, you might feel differently.

Let it go guys… ALL of you!

This isn’t productive, in fact it’s destructive. The list isn’t meant for this junk.

···

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, EDPnJAX wrote:

On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:

So you've file a lawsuit?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:

W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are
a
fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you
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and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.

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EDPnJAX · December 26, 2018, 5:38pm

I have been, and just like most everything else in life… ignore it and when they don’t get anything in return they will eventually go away. Like a stray… keep feeding themguys and they’ll return.

···

On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:35 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:

Well, if you were the subject of an aggressive personal attack from an
Internet Bully, you might feel differently.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, EDPnJAX wrote:

Let it go guys¦ ALL of you!

This isn'tt productive, in fact it'ss destructive. The list isn'tt meant for this junk.

On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:

So you've file a lawsuit?

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Bryan Fields
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:

W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are
a
fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you
are
and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.

--
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Willem · December 26, 2018, 5:44pm

I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL) for software.

We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of spectrum. However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules. So when there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, WE take action to address it. Only in the most eggregious of cases does the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action.

Just so with the GPL. I as a software developer have the benefit of billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of which is covered by the GPL. Generally the software community self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple as releasing the code. I do this because it is my obligation under the GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it.

Had the authors of Asterisk said: "We will not release the source code, but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to do repeater linking.

Only in rare cases where people continue to flaunt the GPL does it take a lawsuit to compel compliance, and these rarely go to trial because the cost of compliance is so trivial - just release the source code and you are in compliance! However, just like it sometimes takes the FCC to make sure that people comply with the conditions of their ham license, sometimes it takes legal action to force compliance with the GPL.

In the end the GPL (just like our ham priviliges) is a social contract. We are granted an enormously valuable resource on the understanding that we will abide by a simple rule: you have to make your contribution freely available to others.

So I sure hope that this doesn't turn into a lawsuit. That only serves to make lawyers rich. But in the end, it seems to me that the open source model has proven to be much more successful in the long run. I and many others have been able to make a decent living despite making our software available not just free of charge but free to improve. And in the process I have benefitted both in terms of getting credit for my contributions as well as well as from the clever things others have contributed to software I wrote.

We don't have to be ugly about it and call people names. But the GPL is pretty black and white about the issue of releasing the source code. I don't know of a single case where somebody has eventually prevailed in arguing that you can start with GPL code and then refuse to release the source for the improvements. The GPL always wins out in the end.

-Willem

···

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

So you've file a lawsuit?

================================================================
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Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA
Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575
WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com

Bryan_D_Boyle · December 26, 2018, 5:45pm

AMEN.

It’s only AMATEUR radio. If it disappeared tomorrow, the world would neither be better nor worse off, in truth.

If the legal and moral owners of the copyrights have no inclination to fight it or enforce their rights, in the end, does it really matter what anyone who has no rights to the software thinks?

Both versions of the fork have plusses and minuses. In the end, the marketplace will decide.

But in the meantime, all the constant bickering and “who’s is bigger” argument is doing is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

It’s just a hobby.

···

On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:08, EDPnJAX edpnjax@gmail.com wrote:

Let it go guys… ALL of you!

This isn’t productive, in fact it’s destructive. The list isn’t meant for this junk.

On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer mwbesemer@cox.net wrote:

So you’ve file a lawsuit?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:

W9CR’s comments on Reddit about ham radio: “It’s now a hobby full
of Luddites, racists, and narcissists” just show what a hypocrite he is.

It’s not libel if it’s true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are
a
fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you
are
and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.

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Mike_Besemer_WM4B · December 26, 2018, 5:50pm

No... I've been ignoring this particular coward for a number of years and he still takes every opportunity to flame me, to include the registration of my callsign as a web domain with a redirect to a porn site. If he were half a man, he'd confront me directly, but he chooses to play silly little games like a 3 year-old. I've never done a thing to this man-child except to disagree with him and his attitude, but apparently that’s all it takes to send him into a tantrum.

Frankly, I'm tired of his attitude, his mouth, and his existence as a 'source of knowledge' for this (and other) lists. I don't care how smart he is or how much he has contributed. He is a liability to ASL as long as his name is associated with it. It's hard to respect an organization who would allow someone like that to speak on their behalf.

···

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:38 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

I have been, and just like most everything else in life… ignore it and when they don’t get anything in return they will eventually go away. Like a stray… keep feeding themguys and they’ll return.

On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:35 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:

Well, if you were the subject of an aggressive personal attack from an
Internet Bully, you might feel differently.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, EDPnJAX wrote:

Let it go guys€¦ ALL of you!

This isn't€™t productive, in fact it's€™s destructive. The list isn't€™t meant for this junk.

On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:

So you've file a lawsuit?

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Bryan Fields
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:

W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are
a
fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you
are
and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.

--
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Mike_Besemer_WM4B · December 26, 2018, 5:52pm

The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does anything
to deal with those individuals. Put up or shut up.

···

-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On
Behalf Of Willem Schreuder
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:45 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

So you've file a lawsuit?

I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur
radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL)
for software.

We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of
spectrum. However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must
promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules. So when
there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately,
WE take action to address it. Only in the most eggregious of cases does
the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action.

Just so with the GPL. I as a software developer have the benefit of
billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free
operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of
which is covered by the GPL. Generally the software community
self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple
as releasing the code. I do this because it is my obligation under the
GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help
improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it.

Had the authors of Asterisk said: "We will not release the source code,
but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things
you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system.
Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to
do repeater linking.

Only in rare cases where people continue to flaunt the GPL does it take a
lawsuit to compel compliance, and these rarely go to trial because the
cost of compliance is so trivial - just release the source code and you
are in compliance! However, just like it sometimes takes the FCC to make
sure that people comply with the conditions of their ham license,
sometimes it takes legal action to force compliance with the GPL.

In the end the GPL (just like our ham priviliges) is a social contract.
We are granted an enormously valuable resource on the understanding that
we will abide by a simple rule: you have to make your contribution freely
available to others.

So I sure hope that this doesn't turn into a lawsuit. That only serves to
make lawyers rich. But in the end, it seems to me that the open source
model has proven to be much more successful in the long run. I and many
others have been able to make a decent living despite making our software
available not just free of charge but free to improve. And in the process
I have benefitted both in terms of getting credit for my contributions as
well as well as from the clever things others have contributed to software
I wrote.

We don't have to be ugly about it and call people names. But the GPL is
pretty black and white about the issue of releasing the source code. I
don't know of a single case where somebody has eventually prevailed in
arguing that you can start with GPL code and then refuse to release the
source for the improvements. The GPL always wins out in the end.

-Willem

================================================================
Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica
Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA
Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575
WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com
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cnovey · December 26, 2018, 6:08pm

Thanks for this Willem- well spoken.
Clifford - KK6QMS

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From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf
Of Willem Schreuder
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:45 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

So you've file a lawsuit?

I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur
radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL)
for software.

We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of spectrum.
However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must promote and
expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules. So when there are
people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, WE take
action to address it. Only in the most eggregious of cases does the FCC
actually have to take an enforcement action.

Just so with the GPL. I as a software developer have the benefit of
billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free
operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of which
is covered by the GPL. Generally the software community self-enforces the
GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple as releasing the
code. I do this because it is my obligation under the GPL, but I also
license new work under the GPL because other people help improve what I
started, and I still largely get the credit for it.

Had the authors of Asterisk said: "We will not release the source code, but
we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things you
want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system.
Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to do
repeater linking.

Only in rare cases where people continue to flaunt the GPL does it take a
lawsuit to compel compliance, and these rarely go to trial because the cost
of compliance is so trivial - just release the source code and you are in
compliance! However, just like it sometimes takes the FCC to make sure that
people comply with the conditions of their ham license, sometimes it takes
legal action to force compliance with the GPL.

In the end the GPL (just like our ham priviliges) is a social contract.
We are granted an enormously valuable resource on the understanding that we
will abide by a simple rule: you have to make your contribution freely
available to others.

So I sure hope that this doesn't turn into a lawsuit. That only serves to
make lawyers rich. But in the end, it seems to me that the open source
model has proven to be much more successful in the long run. I and many
others have been able to make a decent living despite making our software
available not just free of charge but free to improve. And in the process I
have benefitted both in terms of getting credit for my contributions as well
as well as from the clever things others have contributed to software I
wrote.

We don't have to be ugly about it and call people names. But the GPL is
pretty black and white about the issue of releasing the source code. I
don't know of a single case where somebody has eventually prevailed in
arguing that you can start with GPL code and then refuse to release the
source for the improvements. The GPL always wins out in the end.

-Willem

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