Your VOTER/RTCM May Have Broken Itself on 01/01/21 00:01

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Jesse,
Is this an RTCM or a voter board? I can do a custom build for you to try.Chuck

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| JRB
January 7 |

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Hey Gents,

I’m having this same issue. I’m using a Trimble Thunderbolt-E with TSIP protocol. Still not working properly with the 1.54 version.
Here’s what I’m getting with the different settings in the GPS DateFix variable.

Datefix 0
Current Time: Thu Jan 01, 1970 00:00:05.880

DateFix 1
Current Time: Thu Aug 17, 1989 00:00:24.420

DateFix 2
Current Time: Thu Apr 02, 2009 00:00:35.460

DateFix 3
Current Time: Thu Nov 16, 2028 00:00:45.480

DateFix 4
Current Time: Monday Jan -), 1970 0*:.(:0+.060

That last one is quite interesting. My GPS debug 32 is showing everything is “good in the hood”.
Any further insight would be greatly appreciated.

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| Chuck_Henderson
January 7 |

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Kevin,
I notice that you do not have “GPS lock” in the 98 output that you showed us.
Try again but allow more time to get GPS lock before using “98”

I use the Garmin 18 puck GPS and I use datefix “2”

If you use my compile and NEMA it should work for you. If you do not get GPS lock then you probably have a hardware or cable or GPS signal problem.

Send full output of debug 32
Chuck

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| Chuck_Henderson
January 7 |

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v3.30
Chuck

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| W8khw1
January 7 |

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Hello,

I have sent an email to Microchip support asking if there is an updated library to solve the mktime issue. I also sent an email to Mark at Micro Node trying to make him aware of the issue.

I’m still trying to sort out why some users aren’t having any issues - are they all running Thunderbolts and the TB works?

I’d really like to get my repeater system back on the air.

73,
Kevin
W8KHW

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| ve7fet
January 6 |

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Hi Chuck,

Yes, I have MPLAB running in “Windows XP Mode” (virtual machine) on my (broken) Windows 7 laptop. The nice thing about it is that it lets you map a shared folder to the host (Windows 7), so it is easy to get files in and out of the build environment.

I am wondering if you can tell me what version of the compiler (MPLAB C Compiler) you are running is (probably in Help/About in MPLAB)?

I am trying to restore my compiler environment, to confirm indeed that I was using the latest released version of the compiler (v3.31).

Lee

| W8khw1
January 6 |

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I just finished testing with a Garmin !8 GPS. Still not setting the time correctly.

Enter Selection (1-27,97-99,r,q,d) : 98
S/W Version: 1.54 04/14/2020
System Uptime: 982.2 Secs
IP Address: 192.168.1.10
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.1.1
Primary DNS: 192.168.1.1
Secondary DNS: 0.0.0.0
DHCP: 1
VOTER Server IP: 0.0.0.0
VOTER Server UDP Port: 667
OUR UDP Port: 667
GPS Lock: 0
Connected: 0
COR: 1
EXT CTCSS IN: 1
PTT: 0
RSSI: 0
Current Samples / Sec.: 0
Current Peak Audio Level: 24
Squelch Noise Gain Value: 35, Diode Cal. Value: 41, SQL pot 179
Last Rx Pkt System time: , diff: 0 msec
Last Rx Pkt Timestamp time: , diff: 0 msec
Last Rx Pkt index: 0, inbounds: 0

Press The Any Key (Enter) To Continue
GPS signal lost entirely. Starting again…
GPS Receiver Active, waiting for aquisition
GPS signal acquired, number of satellites in use = 4
Time now syncronized to GPS

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Chuck, you’re a life saver.
This is a system with RTCMs.
I will happily test anything you want to build.
:partying_face::partying_face::partying_face:

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Hi Chuck,
Another data point.
On my (9) RTCM’s, I’m using thunderbolts and garmin lvc 18’s.
The RTCM’s with thunderbolts had a version 1.60 which appeared to work.
Updated thunderbolt units to 1.54 with datefix=1 also appear to be ok.
The Garmin isn’t working though no matter what (tried all datafix values). (older fw versions too).
Anything else I can try? Am I missing something?
Thanks for all your rtcm support,
Dave
WB6WTM

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I think some folks aren’t having issues mainly because they haven’t rebooted their RTCM’s. I can’t confirm this 100% as I don’t want to reboot any currently functioning RTCM’s, but I had one that was voting until I restarted it and now it won’t vote due to the time issue. I have others still properly voting, but they’ve not been restarted since prior to 1/1. I think if they restart, they will no longer vote.

Below are two different RTCM’s that are still properly voting (same node), but one is showing bad “Last Rx Pkt System time”, but current time is correct and the other is showing correct pkt and current time.

S/W Version: 1.51CHUCK 08/08/2017
System Uptime: 2884560.9 Secs
IP Address: 10.0.1.22
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 10.0.1.1
Primary DNS: 10.0.1.1
Secondary DNS: 8.8.8.8
DHCP: 0
VOTER Server IP: 10.0.1.10
VOTER Server UDP Port: 667
OUR UDP Port: 667
GPS Lock: 1
Connected: 1
COR: 0
EXT CTCSS IN: 1
PTT: 0
RSSI: 0
Current Samples / Sec.: 8000
Current Peak Audio Level: 57560
Squelch Noise Gain Value: 115, Diode Cal. Value: 45, SQL pot 383
Current Time: Fri Jan 08, 2021 04:06:05.700
Last Rx Pkt System time: 01/01/2021 08:00:09.120, diff: 590756600 msec
Last Rx Pkt Timestamp time: 01/01/2021 08:00:09.120, diff: 0 msec
Last Rx Pkt index: 880, inbounds: 1

S/W Version: 1.51CHUCK 08/08/2017
System Uptime: 930525.8 Secs
IP Address: 192.168.3.27
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.3.1
Primary DNS: 192.168.3.1
Secondary DNS: 8.8.8.8
DHCP: 0
VOTER Server IP: 192.5.222.90
VOTER Server UDP Port: 667
OUR UDP Port: 667
GPS Lock: 1
Connected: 1
COR: 0
EXT CTCSS IN: 1
PTT: 0
RSSI: 255
Current Samples / Sec.: 8001
Current Peak Audio Level: 55096
Squelch Noise Gain Value: 119, Diode Cal. Value: 45, SQL pot 385
Current Time: Fri Jan 08, 2021 04:06:04.920
Last Rx Pkt System time: 01/08/2021 04:05:33.280, diff: 31680 msec
Last Rx Pkt Timestamp time: 01/08/2021 04:05:33.280, diff: 0 msec
Last Rx Pkt index: 1080, inbounds: 1

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Good Evening,

Thank you Chuck for the suggestions. I must confess I don’t know where to set “datefix”. I looked in the manual and searched the .conf files, but didn’t find anything.

The plus for the evening is the repeater is running - single site, no voting, but on the air. Hopefully it won’t get stuck in TX again :-).

I ran further experiments this evening. The Garmin GPS 18LVS I am using is a very old model - Pre “X”. I looked to see if they had a firmware update for the old model, but couldn’t not find one. The firmware updater for the X model returns “No update available”.

I tried looking at the GPS Lock menu item and found that strange. Even though it shows as not locked, the GPS light on the RTCM is solid yellow indicating it should be locked. I connected the Garmin GPS directly to the serial port on my laptop and captured the data. I took several samples of strings and pasted them into an online NEMA parser and they decoded correctly - date and time were correct. The parser also confirmed that the GPS was locked. So I know it’s passing data that should be readable, just not being calculated correctly in the RTCM.

I also took the RTCM to the basement and connected it to a Thunderbolt that has been running for at least the last ten years. I changed the Protocol to TSIP and confirmed the Baud rate. It reported connected, but not synced. I finally set the PPS Polarity to NONE and it started to pass data. It had the wrong date and still reported “System Time Not Set”. The GPS light on the RTCM was solid, but the firmware reported the GPS as not locked. That TBolt is definitely locked! When I reconnected it to its normal device, it reported that it was locked.

(Side Note: In the connection message sent by the RTCM, “aCquisition” is mis-spelled. And “Time is now syncHronized” - in case anybody’s bored looking through code. Thank goodness for spell check in email. :slight_smile:

Thanks again for all the help,

Kevin
W8KHW

GPS PPS set to None:
Solid Yellow light on RTCM
Even though it “syncd” the time (May 25, 2001), it still reports the “System Time Not Set”

Enter Selection (1-27,97-99,r,q,d) : GPS Receiver Active, waiting for aquisition
GPS signal acquired
05/25/2001 02:10:58.000 Time now syncronized to GPS
98
S/W Version: 1.54 04/14/2020
System Uptime: 26.6 Secs
IP Address: 192.168.1.10
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.1.1
Primary DNS: 192.168.1.1
Secondary DNS: 0.0.0.0
DHCP: 1
VOTER Server IP: 0.0.0.0
VOTER Server UDP Port: 667
OUR UDP Port: 667
GPS Lock: 0
Connected: 0
COR: 1
EXT CTCSS IN: 1
PTT: 0
RSSI: 0
Current Samples / Sec.: 0
Current Peak Audio Level: 32
Squelch Noise Gain Value: 35, Diode Cal. Value: 41, SQL pot 179
Current Time: Fri May 25, 2001 02:11:22.000
Last Rx Pkt System time: , diff: -1380763376 msec
Last Rx Pkt Timestamp time: , diff: 0 msec
Last Rx Pkt index: 0, inbounds: 0

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On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 11:20 PM Jon Welfringer via AllStarLink Discussion Groups <noreply@community.allstarlink.org> wrote:

| WB6OZD
January 8 |

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I think some folks aren’t having issues mainly because they haven’t rebooted their RTCM’s. I can’t confirm this 100% as I don’t want to reboot any currently functioning RTCM’s, but I had one that was voting until I restarted it and now it won’t vote due to the time issue. I have others still properly voting, but they’ve not been restarted since prior to 1/1. I think if they restart, they will no longer vote.

Below are two different RTCM’s that are still properly voting (same node), but one is showing bad “Last Rx Pkt System time”, but current time is correct and the other is showing correct pkt and current time.

S/W Version: 1.51CHUCK 08/08/2017
System Uptime: 2884560.9 Secs
IP Address: 10.0.1.22
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 10.0.1.1
Primary DNS: 10.0.1.1
Secondary DNS: 8.8.8.8
DHCP: 0
VOTER Server IP: 10.0.1.10
VOTER Server UDP Port: 667
OUR UDP Port: 667
GPS Lock: 1
Connected: 1
COR: 0
EXT CTCSS IN: 1
PTT: 0
RSSI: 0
Current Samples / Sec.: 8000
Current Peak Audio Level: 57560
Squelch Noise Gain Value: 115, Diode Cal. Value: 45, SQL pot 383
Current Time: Fri Jan 08, 2021 04:06:05.700
Last Rx Pkt System time: 01/01/2021 08:00:09.120, diff: 590756600 msec
Last Rx Pkt Timestamp time: 01/01/2021 08:00:09.120, diff: 0 msec
Last Rx Pkt index: 880, inbounds: 1

S/W Version: 1.51CHUCK 08/08/2017
System Uptime: 930525.8 Secs
IP Address: 192.168.3.27
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.3.1
Primary DNS: 192.168.3.1
Secondary DNS: 8.8.8.8
DHCP: 0
VOTER Server IP: 192.5.222.90
VOTER Server UDP Port: 667
OUR UDP Port: 667
GPS Lock: 1
Connected: 1
COR: 0
EXT CTCSS IN: 1
PTT: 0
RSSI: 255
Current Samples / Sec.: 8001
Current Peak Audio Level: 55096
Squelch Noise Gain Value: 119, Diode Cal. Value: 45, SQL pot 385
Current Time: Fri Jan 08, 2021 04:06:04.920
Last Rx Pkt System time: 01/08/2021 04:05:33.280, diff: 31680 msec
Last Rx Pkt Timestamp time: 01/08/2021 04:05:33.280, diff: 0 msec
Last Rx Pkt index: 1080, inbounds: 1

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| W8khw1
January 7 |

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Hello, I have sent an email to Microchip support asking if there is an updated library to solve the mktime issue. I also sent an email to Mark at Micro Node trying to make him aware of the issue. I’m still trying to sort out why some users aren’t having any issues - are they all running Thunderbol…

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Hi All,

To check for the problem without rebooting the RTCM, change the debug value to 32 (menu option 14). The symptom shows up as “gps_time: -1” in the GPS-DEBUG string:

GPS-DEBUG: $GPRMC,201833,A,4004.3350,N,10521.2352,W,000.0,023.1,050121,008.8,E*6C
GPS-DEBUG: mon: 0, gps_time: -1, ctime: Thu Jan 1 00:00:0/ 1970

The -1 is being returned from the mktime library call. mktime evidently has a defect. -1 reports an error.

I have written a replacement for mktime that will work thru 2099. I have it running in V1.50. It displays this debug string:

GPS-DEBUG: $GPRMC,134238,A,4004.3361,N,10521.2338,W,000.0,322.5,080121,008.8,E*6D
GPS-DEBUG: mon: 1, gps_time: 1610113358, ctime: Fri Jan 8 13:42:38 2021

We have this code running in ~10 RTCMs restoring our systems to operation.

I’d be happy to share the code.

73,

Dave
WA1JHK

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If you like you could post your RTCM code here? At least the bin so folks can get going right away.

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That’s great news, Thank You!

I was surprised when searching to see that Microchip’s fix in other compilers solved the problem through 2037. I kept wondering why they would use that date or what they know about the future that I don’t.

73,
Kevin
W8KHW

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On Jan 8, 2021, at 9:01 AM, Wa1jhk1 via AllStarLink Discussion Groups noreply@community.allstarlink.org wrote:

| Wa1jhk1
January 8 |

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Hi All,

To check for the problem without rebooting the RTCM, change the debug value to 32 (menu option 14). The symptom shows up as “gps_time: -1” in the GPS-DEBUG string:

GPS-DEBUG: $GPRMC,201833,A,4004.3350,N,10521.2352,W,000.0,023.1,050121,008.8,E*6C
GPS-DEBUG: mon: 0, gps_time: -1, ctime: Thu Jan 1 00:00:0/ 1970

The -1 is being returned from the mktime library call. mktime evidently has a defect. -1 reports an error.

I have written a replacement for mktime that will work thru 2099. I have it running in V1.50. It displays this debug string:

GPS-DEBUG: $GPRMC,134238,A,4004.3361,N,10521.2338,W,000.0,322.5,080121,008.8,E*6D
GPS-DEBUG: mon: 1, gps_time: 1610113358, ctime: Fri Jan 8 13:42:38 2021

We have this code running in ~10 RTCMs restoring our systems to operation.

I’d be happy to share the code.

73,

Dave
WA1JHK

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Hi Kevin,

That is a much BIGGER problem… see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

Lee

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Great news Dave! Do you also have Chuck’s mods in this version? (e.g. Chuck Squelch and RSSI ?)

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Hi Dave,

Where were you able to find the 1.60 version for the RTCM firmware?

-Jesse

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Jesse,

I think the 1.60 code was a test version of what Chuck ultimately ended up calling 1.51.
It had the first fix for Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO’s the last time the turnover broke stuff.
I probably have a copy around here somewhere but don’t think it will help.

Dave…

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Dave WA1JHK,
I am interested testing your code (should you need additional testers).
Thanks,
Dave…
WB6WTM

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Dave wb6wtm,

I’ve definitely tried 1.51 without any luck.
Thanks for the clarification.

-Jesse

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Hi Tim,

Absolutely! I’ll post it later today.

Dave
WA1JHK

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I have rebooted my voter boards and my RTCMs in the last 2 days and all are working fine with correct dates and times with the Garmin GPS lvc18 on all of them. datefix=2 ( this is found in the “offline” menu of the RTCM/voter)
The Rx Pkt time only updates if that device is set to transmit in the voter.conf file. so on receive only sites the only important time is the “current time” and it would only be valid after there is GPS lock.
After changing the datefix setting in the “offline” menu, and saving it with “99”, the device must be rebooted and resync with the GPS signals before checking the current time.
Chuck

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| WB6OZD
January 8 |

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I think some folks aren’t having issues mainly because they haven’t rebooted their RTCM’s. I can’t confirm this 100% as I don’t want to reboot any currently functioning RTCM’s, but I had one that was voting until I restarted it and now it won’t vote due to the time issue. I have others still properly voting, but they’ve not been restarted since prior to 1/1. I think if they restart, they will no longer vote.

Below are two different RTCM’s that are still properly voting (same node), but one is showing bad “Last Rx Pkt System time”, but current time is correct and the other is showing correct pkt and current time.

S/W Version: 1.51CHUCK 08/08/2017
System Uptime: 2884560.9 Secs
IP Address: 10.0.1.22
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 10.0.1.1
Primary DNS: 10.0.1.1
Secondary DNS: 8.8.8.8
DHCP: 0
VOTER Server IP: 10.0.1.10
VOTER Server UDP Port: 667
OUR UDP Port: 667
GPS Lock: 1
Connected: 1
COR: 0
EXT CTCSS IN: 1
PTT: 0
RSSI: 0
Current Samples / Sec.: 8000
Current Peak Audio Level: 57560
Squelch Noise Gain Value: 115, Diode Cal. Value: 45, SQL pot 383
Current Time: Fri Jan 08, 2021 04:06:05.700
Last Rx Pkt System time: 01/01/2021 08:00:09.120, diff: 590756600 msec
Last Rx Pkt Timestamp time: 01/01/2021 08:00:09.120, diff: 0 msec
Last Rx Pkt index: 880, inbounds: 1

S/W Version: 1.51CHUCK 08/08/2017
System Uptime: 930525.8 Secs
IP Address: 192.168.3.27
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.3.1
Primary DNS: 192.168.3.1
Secondary DNS: 8.8.8.8
DHCP: 0
VOTER Server IP: 192.5.222.90
VOTER Server UDP Port: 667
OUR UDP Port: 667
GPS Lock: 1
Connected: 1
COR: 0
EXT CTCSS IN: 1
PTT: 0
RSSI: 255
Current Samples / Sec.: 8001
Current Peak Audio Level: 55096
Squelch Noise Gain Value: 119, Diode Cal. Value: 45, SQL pot 385
Current Time: Fri Jan 08, 2021 04:06:04.920
Last Rx Pkt System time: 01/08/2021 04:05:33.280, diff: 31680 msec
Last Rx Pkt Timestamp time: 01/08/2021 04:05:33.280, diff: 0 msec
Last Rx Pkt index: 1080, inbounds: 1

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| wb6wtm Board Member
January 8 |

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Hi Chuck,
Another data point.
On my (9) RTCM’s, I’m using thunderbolts and garmin lvc 18’s.
The RTCM’s with thunderbolts had a version 1.60 which appeared to work.
Updated thunderbolt units to 1.54 with datefix=1 also appear to be ok.
The Garmin isn’t working though no matter what (tried all datafix values). (older fw versions too).
Anything else I can try? Am I missing something?
Thanks for all your rtcm support,
Dave
WB6WTM

| JRB
January 8 |

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Chuck, you’re a life saver.
This is a system with RTCMs.
I will happily test anything you want to build.
:partying_face::partying_face::partying_face:

| Chuck_Henderson
January 8 |

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Jesse,
Is this an RTCM or a voter board? I can do a custom build for you to try.Chuck

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| JRB
January 7 |

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Hey Gents,

I’m having this same issue. I’m using a Trimble Thunderbolt-E with TSIP protocol. Still not working properly with the 1.54 version.
Here’s what I’m getting with the different settings in the GPS DateFix variable.

Datefix 0
Current Time: Thu Jan 01, 1970 00:00:05.880

DateFix 1
Current Time: Thu Aug 17, 1989 00:00:24.420

DateFix 2
Current Time: Thu Apr 02, 2009 00:00:35.460

DateFix 3
Current Time: Thu Nov 16, 2028 00:00:45.480

DateFix 4
Current Time: Monday Jan -), 1970 0*:.(:0+.060

That last one is quite interesting. My GPS debug 32 is showing everything is “good in the hood”.
Any further insight would be greatly appreciated.

| Chuck_Henderson
January 7 |

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Kevin,
I notice that you do not have “GPS lock” in the 98 output that you showed us.
Try again but allow more time to get GPS lock before using “98”

I use the Garmin 18 puck GPS and I use datefix “2”

If you use my compile and NEMA it should work for you. If you do not get GPS lock then you probably have a hardware or cable or GPS signal problem.

Send full output of debug 32
Chuck

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There are multiple fixes in 1.54 that are not in what someone mis-labeled as 1.60. I think that the mktime in compiler v3.30 must be okay and maybe it broke in 3.31. It seems fine into 2030+ with the 3.30 version that I have. I do not have the 3.31 version.

But maybe it would be good to add the fixed mktime to the source for voter/RTCM code 1.54 so that it will work with any compiler version.

I think that I have figured out a fix for the Trimble Thunderbolt-E with TSIP protocol that JRB is using. If it works then I plan to call it 1.55. and it will have a new DateFix 4 for Trimble.

I checked all of the versions I have, 1.50, 1.51, 1.52, 1.53, and 1.54, and none of them have mis-spellings like “aCquisition” or "syncHronized” so I suspect that those must have resulted from damaged files or transfer errors while updating firmware. Can anyone find those in the voter.c source on Github? Those errors are not in the voter.c files on my hard drive that were sent to Github by me.
Chuck

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| wb6wtm Board Member
January 8 |

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Jesse,

I think the 1.60 code was a test version of what Chuck ultimately ended up calling 1.51.
It had the first fix for Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO’s the last time the turnover broke stuff.
I probably have a copy around here somewhere but don’t think it will help.

Dave…

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| JRB
January 8 |

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Hi Dave,

Where were you able to find the 1.60 version for the RTCM firmware?

-Jesse

| WB6OZD
January 8 |

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Great news Dave! Do you also have Chuck’s mods in this version? (e.g. Chuck Squelch and RSSI ?)

| ve7fet
January 8 |

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Hi Kevin,

That is a much BIGGER problem… see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

Lee

| W8khw1
January 8 |

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That’s great news, Thank You!

I was surprised when searching to see that Microchip’s fix in other compilers solved the problem through 2037. I kept wondering why they would use that date or what they know about the future that I don’t.

73,
Kevin
W8KHW

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| wd6awp ASL Admin
January 8 |

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If you like you could post your RTCM code here? At least the bin so folks can get going right away.

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Dave,

I’ve it’s not too difficult, please post both RTCM (SMT) and voter board (thru hole) versions.

Thanks,
Greg
WB6ZSU

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We have completed our testing of the time fix on 16 RTCMs here in Colorado. All are operating as expected.

At the following link:

are three files:

Voter-smt_1_50_CHUCK_WA1JHK.cry
Voter_1_50_CHUCK_WA1JHK.cry
Voter_1_50_WA1JHK.c

There’s both an SMT version and a thru-hole board version. These builds include Chuck’s changes to Squelch and RSSI operation. And the updated voter.c file is there for reference and other builds.

Note that the thru-hole version has not yet been tested. I don’t have that hardware here to do that.

Give it a try and let us know how it is working for you.

73,

Dave

–
Dave Maciorowski, WA1JHK

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Dave,

I only see the .c file and the smt.cry files. I don’t see a file for the non-smt version.

Greg
WB6ZSU