Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

App_rpt-users
1

It's funny to write this yet again, however AllStar is being attacked by the
people who have contributed nothing and stolen everything from this community.

I was forwarded an email with claims of registration issues by John David
McGough. Now these people (who use the AllStar registration servers and core
infrastructure) claim once again, AllStar has problems with registration
services. They refuse to provide any evidence of this, but have no problems
spreading this FUD.

Registration is, and has been working. ASL has multiple servers running, and
the nodes list is being generated properly too. This is stable and working.
If one dies, DNS moves it to another server.

If one has a registration issue, what is a better way to handle it;
a. email the help desk <rt@allstarlink.org> or this mailing list, or
b. provide no notice and bitch about and libel the community?

Anyone can check <https://grafana.allstarlink.org> and see the registration
counts, and the top authentication failures. This isn't on a delay, if
something is broken it's going to show there, and it's the first thing the
admin team checks when problems are reported.

73's

···

--
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net

2

Bryan Fields,

Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form of product, updates and support.

I have witnessed support to folks whom are using the product in other than Amateur applications as well. I personally appreciate the assistance as do all the others that come to a source that they know will offer them direct and transparent assistance.

If the complaint were the first I would think that it’s an anomaly but their is a significant number of users complaining about registration and inability to connect to others. Got that you have a tool but does the tool provide feedback that is a benefit to those actually having issues connecting to others.

I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are providing a service to the community at large. I appreciate their work.

···

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 3:54 PM Bryan Fields Bryan@bryanfields.net wrote:

It’s funny to write this yet again, however AllStar is being attacked by the

people who have contributed nothing and stolen everything from this community.

I was forwarded an email with claims of registration issues by John David

McGough. Now these people (who use the AllStar registration servers and core

infrastructure) claim once again, AllStar has problems with registration

services. They refuse to provide any evidence of this, but have no problems

spreading this FUD.

Registration is, and has been working. ASL has multiple servers running, and

the nodes list is being generated properly too. This is stable and working.

If one dies, DNS moves it to another server.

If one has a registration issue, what is a better way to handle it;

a. email the help desk rt@allstarlink.org or this mailing list, or

b. provide no notice and bitch about and libel the community?

Anyone can check <https://grafana.allstarlink.org> and see the registration

counts, and the top authentication failures. This isn’t on a delay, if

something is broken it’s going to show there, and it’s the first thing the

admin team checks when problems are reported.

73’s

–

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727-409-1194 - Voice

http://bryanfields.net

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FYI. AllStarLink.org is reported as down on the link provided by Bryan Fields

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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 3:54 PM Bryan Fields Bryan@bryanfields.net wrote:

It’s funny to write this yet again, however AllStar is being attacked by the

people who have contributed nothing and stolen everything from this community.

I was forwarded an email with claims of registration issues by John David

McGough. Now these people (who use the AllStar registration servers and core

infrastructure) claim once again, AllStar has problems with registration

services. They refuse to provide any evidence of this, but have no problems

spreading this FUD.

Registration is, and has been working. ASL has multiple servers running, and

the nodes list is being generated properly too. This is stable and working.

If one dies, DNS moves it to another server.

If one has a registration issue, what is a better way to handle it;

a. email the help desk rt@allstarlink.org or this mailing list, or

b. provide no notice and bitch about and libel the community?

Anyone can check <https://grafana.allstarlink.org> and see the registration

counts, and the top authentication failures. This isn’t on a delay, if

something is broken it’s going to show there, and it’s the first thing the

admin team checks when problems are reported.

73’s

–

Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice

http://bryanfields.net

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Bryan Fields,

Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form
of product, updates and support.

HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much
from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged
in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is trampling
on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.

Do you condone this?

I have witnessed support to folks whom are using the product in other than
Amateur applications as well.

Please name and shame them. Using John David/Inttek code certainly exposes a
commercial entity to action of copyright infringement. If it's knowingly
using it, it's a crime.

If the complaint were the first I would think that it’s an anomaly but
their is a significant number of users complaining about registration and
inability to connect to others. Got that you have a tool but does the tool
provide feedback that is a benefit to those actually having issues
connecting to others.

There's not a problem with it, no one is complaining, other than John David
McGough.

I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are
providing a service to the community at large.

What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to abide
by the basic tenets of the community?

···

On 7/2/19 4:54 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:

--
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net

5

Will respond to each point individually and will also post questions as well. Thanks for your engagement as this will help myself and other users of AllStar distributions draw our own conclusions by being fully informed.

Bryan Fields,

Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both

AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the

HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form

of product, updates and support.

HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much

from it. HamVoIP has no right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged

in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is trampling

on the rights of every user and developer here; it’s beyond reprehensible.

Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I don’t see occurring.

How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but users and developers benefiting.

Do you condone this?

I have witnessed support to folks whom are using the product in other than

Amateur applications as well.

Please name and shame them. Using John David/Inttek code certainly exposes a

commercial entity to action of copyright infringement. If it’s knowingly

using it, it’s a crime.

Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of the applications creator?

If the complaint were the first I would think that it’s an anomaly but

their is a significant number of users complaining about registration and

inability to connect to others. Got that you have a tool but does the tool

provide feedback that is a benefit to those actually having issues

connecting to others.

There’s not a problem with it, no one is complaining, other than John David

McGough.

I beg to differ. You should review the HamVoIP archives and you will see a steady stream of folks having issues that request and receive assistance in resolving their nodes connectivity issues. Why are the folks asking others for assistance? Could it be that they are not getting it elsewhere?

I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are

providing a service to the community at large.

What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he’s unable to abide

by the basic tenets of the community?

I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions. Not sure whom created it but the SuperMon dashboard is a fantastic feature. The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared to a HOA? Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose. I obviously chose an enhanced and feature rich version whom has a large community that provides support and guidance. The package is user friendly to even those non Linux folks. Heck I figured it out.

Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

-Brad

···

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:03 PM Bryan Fields Bryan@bryanfields.net wrote:

On 7/2/19 4:54 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software, yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived. I appreciate their hard work and constant support to where I personally have donated when given the opportunity.

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6

What in heck has our hobby come to?

VIA Outlook for iOS

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From: App_rpt-users app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org on behalf of Brad Trogdon brad@trogdon.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 5:45 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

Will respond to each point individually and will also post questions as well. Thanks for your engagement as this will help myself and other users of AllStar distributions draw our own conclusions by being fully informed.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:03 PM Bryan Fields Bryan@bryanfields.net wrote:

On 7/2/19 4:54 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:

Bryan Fields,

Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both

AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the

HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form

of product, updates and support.

HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much

from it. HamVoIP has no right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged

in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is trampling

on the rights of every user and developer here; it’s beyond reprehensible.

Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I don’t see occurring.

How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but users and developers benefiting.

Do you condone this?

From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software, yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived. I appreciate their hard work and constant support to where I personally have donated when given the opportunity.

I have witnessed support to folks whom are using the product in other than

Amateur applications as well.

Please name and shame them. Using John David/Inttek code certainly exposes a

commercial entity to action of copyright infringement. If it’s knowingly

using it, it’s a crime.

Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of the applications
creator?

If the complaint were the first I would think that it’s an anomaly but

their is a significant number of users complaining about registration and

inability to connect to others. Got that you have a tool but does the tool

provide feedback that is a benefit to those actually having issues

connecting to others.

There’s not a problem with it, no one is complaining, other than John David

McGough.

I beg to differ. You should review the HamVoIP archives and you will see a steady stream of folks having issues that request and receive assistance in resolving their nodes connectivity issues. Why are the folks asking others for assistance? Could it be
that they are not getting it elsewhere?

I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are

providing a service to the community at large.

What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he’s unable to abide

by the basic tenets of the community?

I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions. Not sure whom created it but the SuperMon dashboard is a fantastic feature. The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to the “Community” are you
referring to a small group that could be compared to a HOA? Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
I obviously chose an enhanced and feature rich version whom has a large community that provides support and guidance. The package is user friendly to even those non Linux folks. Heck I figured it out.

Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

-Brad

–

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727-409-1194 - Voice

http://bryanfields.net

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7

Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the

form

of product, updates and support.

Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.

The better question; what does he have to hide?

HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
much
from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
engaged
in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
trampling
on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.

Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I
feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
don’t see occurring.

AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL version
2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.

John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it, and
people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.

How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
users and developers benefiting.

He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the code.
This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.

Do you condone this?

From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.

Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code in
something more than a disassembler.

I appreciate their hard work and
constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
opportunity.

All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is this
hard? Certainly not.

Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?

Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would
that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and
private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
the applications creator?

It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this requires
the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license.
If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed. I
won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he did on
the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.

I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
are

providing a service to the community at large.

What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
abide
by the basic tenets of the community?

I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.

He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's sad.

The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared
to a HOA?

I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based on
freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL and
it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned
their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.

You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?

Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.

You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can I
say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.

Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from your
computer.

I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.

···

On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
--
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net

8

Source - legal - or matters?? You forgot to detail what brings us to this thread. “Works!! “

You are obviously a very bitter and sad person. I can understand why their is a max exodus to a friendly, supportive and reliable version. Thank you for your time and reinforcing any doubts that I may have chosen the correct flavor to proceed with.

To be clear I have not paid anyone for software. I have however donated to show my support for their efforts as I do with fellow repeater owners and groups whom provide services to which I partake.

If the individual you are pursuing has single handedly contributed the volumes he has you should concede and follow his lead. He has obviously surpassed your ability. With your passion and his get-it-done could one only imagine what would be possible in a true collaborative arena?

Not that little oh me matters but you should concentrate on your version and what you want it to be. Provide support and most importantly a consumer friendly solution and I promise folks will use it. But to stomp you feet and yell will do nothing but form unfavorable opinions and run folks off.

To end this thread I want to say thank you to everyone that has helped me along the way. Before this I knew zero Linux. This is a hobby and a learning experience to me.

Off to the teet. With the elections soon approaching I feel our paths will cross again.

Cya L8r Bye. …

···

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:06 AM Bryan Fields Bryan@bryanfields.net wrote:

On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:

Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both

AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the

HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the

form

of product, updates and support.

Post the source. Without it, nothing else is legal or matters.

The better question; what does he have to hide?

HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen

much

from it. HamVoIP has no right to distribute the AllStar code and is

engaged

in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is

trampling

on the rights of every user and developer here; it’s beyond reprehensible.

Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I

feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich

version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I

don’t see occurring.

AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL version

  1. You’re free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must

give them the same rights you have. If you don’t you have no right to it.

John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the

license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it, and

people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.

How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but

users and developers benefiting.

He’s taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the code.

This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.

Do you condone this?

From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,

yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.

Produce the source, it’s a legal requirement. I’d love to audit his code in

something more than a disassembler.

I appreciate their hard work and

constant support to where I personally have donated when given the

opportunity.

All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is this

hard? Certainly not.

Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?

Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would

that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and

private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of

the applications creator?

It’s totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this requires

the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license.

If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he’d have released it BSD licensed. I

won’t speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he did on

the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn’t the ideal license for collaboration.

I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who

are

providing a service to the community at large.

What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he’s unable to

abide

by the basic tenets of the community?

I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.

He’s not contributed anything, rather he’s dividing the community and has

support from people too stupid to see how he’s fucking them over. It’s sad.

The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to

the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared

to a HOA?

I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based on

freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL and

it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned

their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.

You’ve had your freedom ripped from you and you don’t care; rather your

cheering it. What is wrong with you?

Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support

and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of

disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.

You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can I

say, he’s amateur radio’s Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.

Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was

reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from your

computer.

I’m done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John’s teet.

–

Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice

http://bryanfields.net

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I feel like many people on this list don’t understand the relevance of source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.

Why does the source matter?

The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment and modify things to make it better.

Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom ideas.

Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.

···

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome w0jrl1@gmail.com wrote:

This is crazy! I’ve never seen

Bryan Fields so angry!
Yes... I agree with him.

Jeremy

  -------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:
Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David
McGough
Date:
Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
From:
Bryan Fields Bryan@bryanfields.net
Reply-To:
Users of Asterisk app_rpt app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
To:
Users of Asterisk app_rpt app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org

  On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:

        Not sure of your beef but from a users

perspective having tried both

        AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands

down the

        HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the

communities in the
form
of product, updates and support.

  Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.



  The better question; what does he have to hide?

      HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the

AllStar community, but has stolen

      much

      from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code

and is

      engaged

      in criminal copyright infringement against this community.

This is

      trampling

      on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond

reprehensible.

    Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP

distribution I

    feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and

feature rich

    version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of

use which I

    don’t see occurring.

  AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the

GPL version

  2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone,

you must

  give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right

to it.

  John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance

with the

  license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to

distribute it, and

  people with copies of his software have been given copies

illegally.

    How are developers and users being

negatively impacted? I see nothing but

    users and developers benefiting.

  He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes

to the code.

  This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed

this.

Do you condone this?

    From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich

software,

    yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.

  Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit

his code in

  something more than a disassembler.

I appreciate their hard work and

    constant support to where I personally have donated when given

the

    opportunity.

  All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on

name. Is this

  hard? Certainly not.



  Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?

    Their are more than Amateur usage of this

tool. GMRS for example how would

    that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for

personal and

    private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the

spirit of

    the applications creator?

  It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however

this requires

  the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same

license.

  If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD

licensed. I

  won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first

work he did on

  the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for

collaboration.

      I would work on fixing the problem

Proactively and not flame others who

      are

        providing a service to the community

at large.

      What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's

unable to

      abide

      by the basic tenets of the community?

    I believe I have answered the question of service and

contributions.

  He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community

and has

  support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over.

It’s sad.

    The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and

white-papers. When you refer to

    the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be

compared

    to a HOA?

  I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community

is based on

  freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is

the GPL and

  it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP

has turned

  their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.



  You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather

your

  cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?

    Again from my perspective they are

providing assistance, support

    and product to a global community and are being picked on by a

group of

    disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.

  You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What

more can I

  say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.

    Not sure if you saw my follow-up post

previously but your dashboard was

    reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

  Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether

from your

  computer.



  I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's

teet.


-- Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
[http://bryanfields.net](http://bryanfields.net)
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10

People,

this is getting a bit out of hand. Both areas will lose people because we don’t want see this type of

bickering in our hobby.

Take it off list please.

WB5EKU

···

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM Skyler F electricity440@gmail.com wrote:

I feel like many people on this list don’t understand the relevance of source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.

Why does the source matter?

The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment and modify things to make it better.

Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom ideas.

Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome w0jrl1@gmail.com wrote:

This is crazy! I’ve never seen

Bryan Fields so angry!
Yes... I agree with him.

Jeremy

  -------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:
Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David
McGough
Date:
Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
From:
Bryan Fields Bryan@bryanfields.net
Reply-To:
Users of Asterisk app_rpt app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
To:
Users of Asterisk app_rpt app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org

  On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:

        Not sure of your beef but from a users

perspective having tried both

        AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands

down the

        HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the

communities in the
form
of product, updates and support.

  Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.



  The better question; what does he have to hide?

      HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the

AllStar community, but has stolen

      much

      from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code

and is

      engaged

      in criminal copyright infringement against this community.

This is

      trampling

      on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond

reprehensible.

    Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP

distribution I

    feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and

feature rich

    version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of

use which I

    don’t see occurring.

  AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the

GPL version

  2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone,

you must

  give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right

to it.

  John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance

with the

  license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to

distribute it, and

  people with copies of his software have been given copies

illegally.

    How are developers and users being

negatively impacted? I see nothing but

    users and developers benefiting.

  He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes

to the code.

  This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed

this.

Do you condone this?

    From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich

software,

    yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.

  Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit

his code in

  something more than a disassembler.

I appreciate their hard work and

    constant support to where I personally have donated when given

the

    opportunity.

  All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on

name. Is this

  hard? Certainly not.



  Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?

    Their are more than Amateur usage of this

tool. GMRS for example how would

    that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for

personal and

    private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the

spirit of

    the applications creator?

  It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however

this requires

  the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same

license.

  If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD

licensed. I

  won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first

work he did on

  the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for

collaboration.

      I would work on fixing the problem

Proactively and not flame others who

      are

        providing a service to the community

at large.

      What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's

unable to

      abide

      by the basic tenets of the community?

    I believe I have answered the question of service and

contributions.

  He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community

and has

  support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over.

It’s sad.

    The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and

white-papers. When you refer to

    the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be

compared

    to a HOA?

  I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community

is based on

  freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is

the GPL and

  it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP

has turned

  their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.



  You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather

your

  cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?

    Again from my perspective they are

providing assistance, support

    and product to a global community and are being picked on by a

group of

    disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.

  You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What

more can I

  say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.

    Not sure if you saw my follow-up post

previously but your dashboard was

    reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

  Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether

from your

  computer.



  I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's

teet.


-- Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
[http://bryanfields.net](http://bryanfields.net)
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I think it needs to be aired out completely. Doug Crompton and the rest of the hamvoip ilk have stolen the code that Jim Duuuuuude (R.I.P.) wrote and released into the open source world, and made their version proprietary for them, and not releasing any code that THEY changed to the public, as is open source policy.

I, personally, wouldn’t mind seeing them hang for it.

Literally. Hang em, damn thieves!

···

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 13:07 Donald Jacob wb5eku@gmail.com wrote:

People,

this is getting a bit out of hand. Both areas will lose people because we don’t want see this type of

bickering in our hobby.

Take it off list please.

WB5EKU

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM Skyler F electricity440@gmail.com wrote:

I feel like many people on this list don’t understand the relevance of source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.

Why does the source matter?

The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment and modify things to make it better.

Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom ideas.

Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome w0jrl1@gmail.com wrote:

This is crazy! I’ve never seen

Bryan Fields so angry!
Yes... I agree with him.

Jeremy

  -------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:
Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David
McGough
Date:
Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
From:
Bryan Fields Bryan@bryanfields.net
Reply-To:
Users of Asterisk app_rpt app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
To:
Users of Asterisk app_rpt app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org

  On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:

        Not sure of your beef but from a users

perspective having tried both

        AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands

down the

        HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the

communities in the
form
of product, updates and support.

  Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.



  The better question; what does he have to hide?

      HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the

AllStar community, but has stolen

      much

      from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code

and is

      engaged

      in criminal copyright infringement against this community.

This is

      trampling

      on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond

reprehensible.

    Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP

distribution I

    feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and

feature rich

    version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of

use which I

    don’t see occurring.

  AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the

GPL version

  2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone,

you must

  give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right

to it.

  John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance

with the

  license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to

distribute it, and

  people with copies of his software have been given copies

illegally.

    How are developers and users being

negatively impacted? I see nothing but

    users and developers benefiting.

  He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes

to the code.

  This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed

this.

Do you condone this?

    From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich

software,

    yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.

  Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit

his code in

  something more than a disassembler.

I appreciate their hard work and

    constant support to where I personally have donated when given

the

    opportunity.

  All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on

name. Is this

  hard? Certainly not.



  Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?

    Their are more than Amateur usage of this

tool. GMRS for example how would

    that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for

personal and

    private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the

spirit of

    the applications creator?

  It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however

this requires

  the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same

license.

  If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD

licensed. I

  won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first

work he did on

  the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for

collaboration.

      I would work on fixing the problem

Proactively and not flame others who

      are

        providing a service to the community

at large.

      What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's

unable to

      abide

      by the basic tenets of the community?

    I believe I have answered the question of service and

contributions.

  He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community

and has

  support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over.

It’s sad.

    The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and

white-papers. When you refer to

    the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be

compared

    to a HOA?

  I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community

is based on

  freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is

the GPL and

  it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP

has turned

  their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.



  You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather

your

  cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?

    Again from my perspective they are

providing assistance, support

    and product to a global community and are being picked on by a

group of

    disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.

  You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What

more can I

  say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.

    Not sure if you saw my follow-up post

previously but your dashboard was

    reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

  Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether

from your

  computer.



  I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's

teet.


-- Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
[http://bryanfields.net](http://bryanfields.net)
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Hamvoip does not participate in a “true collaborative arena” as the actual author of the software intended. They locked (stole) open source code and prevent others from contributing. Until they do what is right and open the code as was intended by the original author, I will not use their version.

Open source projects are OPEN for all to examine and improve. I am always excited to find a new and useful open source project because I know that the community is working together- for both improvements AND watching out for security risks and mal-intent. If Linux was not open source we could all be paying per copy.

I encourage everyone to check out this article that outlines some of the benefits and reasons why keeping something open source AS INTENDED is so important and beneficial.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/209891/10_reasons_open_source_is_good_for_business.html

73,

Clifford

KK6QMS

···

From: App_rpt-users app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org On Behalf Of Brad Trogdon
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 9:15 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

…”imagine what would be possible in a true collaborative arena?”

13

Well I don’t really have a dog in this race but since my inbox is full of this right now, here goes…

Anyone who thinks there’s nothing wrong with what the Hamvoip team has done doesn’t understand the GPL and what open source means.

The Hamvoip website claims their product is open source. When you ask for a link to the source code you get angry diatribes and accusations instead of a Github link.

If they truly wanted to collaborate, they could have contributed to the already open code base and made AllStar better. Instead one guy had a fit, took other people’s work, slapped their own branding on it and won’t release the source for any changes that have been made. Now they’re turning it into a commercial product by charging money for a service that is based on stolen software.

This is 110% in violation of the terms laid out in the GPL… which anyone who releases modified GPL software is required to adhere to. What is there to hide? Release the source.

That being said, I respectfully think there’s better ways to address the issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to start.

73 to all,

Brian - VA3DXV

···

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:58 PM Skyler F electricity440@gmail.com wrote:

I feel like many people on this list don’t understand the relevance of source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.

Why does the source matter?

The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment and modify things to make it better.

Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom ideas.

Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome w0jrl1@gmail.com wrote:

This is crazy! I’ve never seen

Bryan Fields so angry!
Yes... I agree with him.

Jeremy

  -------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:
Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David
McGough
Date:
Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
From:
Bryan Fields Bryan@bryanfields.net
Reply-To:
Users of Asterisk app_rpt app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
To:
Users of Asterisk app_rpt app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org

  On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:

        Not sure of your beef but from a users

perspective having tried both

        AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands

down the

        HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the

communities in the
form
of product, updates and support.

  Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.



  The better question; what does he have to hide?

      HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the

AllStar community, but has stolen

      much

      from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code

and is

      engaged

      in criminal copyright infringement against this community.

This is

      trampling

      on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond

reprehensible.

    Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP

distribution I

    feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and

feature rich

    version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of

use which I

    don’t see occurring.

  AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the

GPL version

  2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone,

you must

  give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right

to it.

  John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance

with the

  license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to

distribute it, and

  people with copies of his software have been given copies

illegally.

    How are developers and users being

negatively impacted? I see nothing but

    users and developers benefiting.

  He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes

to the code.

  This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed

this.

Do you condone this?

    From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich

software,

    yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.

  Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit

his code in

  something more than a disassembler.

I appreciate their hard work and

    constant support to where I personally have donated when given

the

    opportunity.

  All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on

name. Is this

  hard? Certainly not.



  Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?

    Their are more than Amateur usage of this

tool. GMRS for example how would

    that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for

personal and

    private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the

spirit of

    the applications creator?

  It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however

this requires

  the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same

license.

  If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD

licensed. I

  won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first

work he did on

  the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for

collaboration.

      I would work on fixing the problem

Proactively and not flame others who

      are

        providing a service to the community

at large.

      What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's

unable to

      abide

      by the basic tenets of the community?

    I believe I have answered the question of service and

contributions.

  He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community

and has

  support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over.

It’s sad.

    The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and

white-papers. When you refer to

    the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be

compared

    to a HOA?

  I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community

is based on

  freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is

the GPL and

  it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP

has turned

  their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.



  You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather

your

  cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?

    Again from my perspective they are

providing assistance, support

    and product to a global community and are being picked on by a

group of

    disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.

  You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What

more can I

  say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.

    Not sure if you saw my follow-up post

previously but your dashboard was

    reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

  Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether

from your

  computer.



  I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's

teet.


-- Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
[http://bryanfields.net](http://bryanfields.net)
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I really don't like the name calling, but in the end Open Source requires the community to point out violations. In ham radio we only rely on the FCC to go after those bad actors that do not respond to resonable censure.

A number of leading figures in the OSS movement (some of whom are hams) are aware of what is going on, but it may come down to Digium who holds the copyright to Asterisk to lay down the law.

73 -Willem AC0KQ

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On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Brian G wrote:

That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the
issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink
project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to start.

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Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA
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Wow…what ever happened to “it works so well”…the rest of us that are not interested in the political end of things sure as hell don’t want to throw a wrench into the works. everyone has contributed to this effort…I think Jim would be proud of it’s progression. Towards the end he was very busy with other things…Allstar has made great progress…both sides of the fence

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On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 12:58 PM Willem Schreuder willem@prinmath.com wrote:

On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Brian G wrote:

That being said, I respectfully think there’s better ways to address the

issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink

project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to start.

I really don’t like the name calling, but in the end Open Source requires

the community to point out violations. In ham radio we only rely on the

FCC to go after those bad actors that do not respond to resonable censure.

A number of leading figures in the OSS movement (some of whom are hams)

are aware of what is going on, but it may come down to Digium who holds

the copyright to Asterisk to lay down the law.

73 -Willem AC0KQ

================================================================

Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica

Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA

Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575

WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com

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