# Building a simulcast system **URL:** \ **Category:** AllStarLink\ **Created:** [August 9, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311 "2013-08-09T17:24:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bob](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@Bob](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Bob)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/1 "2013-08-09T17:24:39Z")
I have finally secured all three locations for our repeaters and now it’s time to deploy Allstar. I want each repeater (MSF 5000) to first have an Arcom RC-210 to which the Allstar interface is applied to port 1 or even the auxiliary port. The RC-210 has many valuable features and is generally feature-rich. I am old that this cannot be done especially when simulcasting; could someone explain why not so that my mind will drop it? Thank you. We primarily want the RC-210 so that we may RF link each site. In the event of an earthquake down goes all links. Otherwise, what is my shopping list? Thank you for your patience with me. ---
**Author:** ![Wb3awj](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/8c91f0/32.png) [@Wb3awj](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Wb3awj)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/2 "2013-08-09T18:34:58Z")
If you’re going to the trouble of putting up backup RF links… a good idea. Take a look at the Ubiquity data radios ( [http://www.ubnt.com](http://www.ubnt.com) ) . Your own RF data network. Forget the public internet except for an entry point. And ditch the controllers. On the analog RF links… If you have a lot of overlap on the simulcast transmitters, you’ll need do some audio delay lines to keep everything in phase. And I’d recommend a GPS disciplined time base for the MSF repeaters. I used to maintain a couple simulcast paging systems. Simulcast with overlap is a big pain. > **···** > > – > > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity and typing errors. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_Sawyer1](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/67e7ee/32.png) [@Tim\_Sawyer1](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Tim_Sawyer1)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 3:40am UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/3 "2013-08-10T03:40:53Z")
You can’t use a repeater controller with voting/simulcasting for a couple of reasons. The voter sends the RX signals to the host computer where the best one is selected and sent to the transmitters. Obviously you can’t have a repeat path thru your controller and do any voting. Next reason is the RTCMs need unsquelched discriminator audio. > **···** > > – > > Tim > > :wq > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > > > > > I have finally secured all three locations for our repeaters and now it’s time to deploy Allstar. I want each repeater (MSF 5000) to first have an Arcom RC-210 to which the Allstar interface is applied to port 1 or even the auxiliary port. The RC-210 has many valuable features and is generally feature-rich. I am old that this cannot be done especially when simulcasting; could someone explain why not so that my mind will drop it? Thank you. We primarily want the RC-210 so that we may RF link each site. In the event of an earthquake down goes all links. > > > > > > Otherwise, what is my shopping list? > > > > > > Thank you for your patience with me. > > > > > > * * * > > > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > > [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > [http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app\_rpt-users](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) ---
**Author:** ![Bob](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@Bob](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Bob)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/4 "2013-08-10T03:51:04Z")
Thanks, Tim. I guess that means all or nothing. I’m ok with that. But how are external devices handled, like weather receivers; earthquake detectors? > **···** > > * * * > > **From:** Tim Sawyer > [[mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com](mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com)] > **Sent:** Friday, August 09, 2013 8:41 > PM > **To:** Bob - AF6D > **Cc:** [app\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > **Subject:** Re: [App\_rpt-users] > Building a simulcast system > > You can’t use a repeater controller with voting/simulcasting for a > couple of reasons. The voter sends the RX signals to the host computer where > the best one is selected and sent to the transmitters. Obviously you can’t have > a repeat path thru your controller and do any voting. Next reason is the RTCMs > need unsquelched discriminator audio. > > – > > Tim > > :wq > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > I have finally secured all three locations for our repeaters > and now it’s time to deploy Allstar. I want each repeater (MSF 5000) to first > have an Arcom RC-210 to which the Allstar interface is applied to port 1 or > even the auxiliary port. The RC-210 has many valuable features and is generally > feature-rich. I am old that this cannot be done especially when simulcasting; > could someone explain why not so that my mind will drop it? Thank you. We > primarily want the RC-210 so that we may RF link each site. In the event of an > earthquake down goes all links. > > Otherwise, what is my shopping list? > > Thank you for your patience with me. > > * * * > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > > [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > [http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app\_rpt-users](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_Sawyer1](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/67e7ee/32.png) [@Tim\_Sawyer1](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Tim_Sawyer1)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/5 "2013-08-10T04:01:27Z")
Not sure, maybe others will chime in with some ideas. > **···** > > – > > Tim > > :wq > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 8:51 PM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > > Thanks, Tim. I guess that means all or nothing. I’m ok with that. But how are external devices handled, like weather receivers; earthquake detectors? > > > > > > * * * > > > **From:** Tim Sawyer [mailto:tim.sawyer@[me.com](http://me.com)] > > **Sent:** Friday, August 09, 2013 8:41 PM > > **To:** Bob - AF6D > > **Cc:** [app\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > **Subject:** Re: [App\_rpt-users] Building a simulcast system > > > > > > You can’t use a repeater controller with voting/simulcasting for a couple of reasons. The voter sends the RX signals to the host computer where the best one is selected and sent to the transmitters. Obviously you can’t have a repeat path thru your controller and do any voting. Next reason is the RTCMs need unsquelched discriminator audio. > > > > > > – > > > Tim > > > :wq > > > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have finally secured all three locations for our repeaters and now it’s time to deploy Allstar. I want each repeater (MSF 5000) to first have an Arcom RC-210 to which the Allstar interface is applied to port 1 or even the auxiliary port. The RC-210 has many valuable features and is generally feature-rich. I am old that this cannot be done especially when simulcasting; could someone explain why not so that my mind will drop it? Thank you. We primarily want the RC-210 so that we may RF link each site. In the event of an earthquake down goes all links. > > > > > > Otherwise, what is my shopping list? > > > > > > Thank you for your patience with me. > > > > > > * * * > > > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > > [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > [http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app\_rpt-users](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) ---
**Author:** ![Edgecomberts](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/cc9497/32.png) [@Edgecomberts](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Edgecomberts)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/6 "2013-08-10T04:14:22Z")
Could you use an Arduino with ethernet, and stream it as IP data? Well, Arduino, or similar, I’ve been working with mBed boards a bit lately. > **···** > > On Aug 10, 2013 2:11 PM, “Tim Sawyer” [tim.sawyer@me.com](mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com) wrote: > > > ## Not sure, maybe others will chime in with some ideas. > > > Tim > > > :wq > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 8:51 PM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > > > Thanks, Tim. I guess that means all or nothing. I’m ok with that. But how are external devices handled, like weather receivers; earthquake detectors? > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > **From:** Tim Sawyer [mailto:tim.sawyer@[me.com](http://me.com)] > > > **Sent:** Friday, August 09, 2013 8:41 PM > > > **To:** Bob - AF6D > > > **Cc:** [app\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > > **Subject:** Re: [App\_rpt-users] Building a simulcast system > > > > > > > > You can’t use a repeater controller with voting/simulcasting for a couple of reasons. The voter sends the RX signals to the host computer where the best one is selected and sent to the transmitters. Obviously you can’t have a repeat path thru your controller and do any voting. Next reason is the RTCMs need unsquelched discriminator audio. > > > > > > > > – > > > > Tim > > > > :wq > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have finally secured all three locations for our repeaters and now it’s time to deploy Allstar. I want each repeater (MSF 5000) to first have an Arcom RC-210 to which the Allstar interface is applied to port 1 or even the auxiliary port. The RC-210 has many valuable features and is generally feature-rich. I am old that this cannot be done especially when simulcasting; could someone explain why not so that my mind will drop it? Thank you. We primarily want the RC-210 so that we may RF link each site. In the event of an earthquake down goes all links. > > > > > > > > Otherwise, what is my shopping list? > > > > > > > > Thank you for your patience with me. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > > > [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > > > > > [http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app\_rpt-users](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) > > > > > > * * * > > > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > > > > [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > > > [http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app\_rpt-users](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) ---
**Author:** ![KD5DFB](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/ba9def/32.png) [@KD5DFB](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/KD5DFB)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/7 "2013-08-10T04:14:59Z")
Have you looked at the DMK URIx? It could be hooked up to a weather receiver that would be interface to the allstar box via USB [http://www.dmkeng.com/Products.htm](http://www.dmkeng.com/Products.htm) > **···** > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Tim Sawyer [tim.sawyer@me.com](mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com) wrote: > > > ## Not sure, maybe others will chime in with some ideas. > > > Tim > > > :wq > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 8:51 PM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > > > Thanks, Tim. I guess that means all or nothing. I’m ok with that. But how are external devices handled, like weather receivers; earthquake detectors? > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > **From:** Tim Sawyer [mailto:tim.sawyer@[me.com](http://me.com)] > > > **Sent:** Friday, August 09, 2013 8:41 PM > > > **To:** Bob - AF6D > > > **Cc:** [app\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > > **Subject:** Re: [App\_rpt-users] Building a simulcast system > > > > > > > > You can’t use a repeater controller with voting/simulcasting for a couple of reasons. The voter sends the RX signals to the host computer where the best one is selected and sent to the transmitters. Obviously you can’t have a repeat path thru your controller and do any voting. Next reason is the RTCMs need unsquelched discriminator audio. > > > > > > > > – > > > > Tim > > > > :wq > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have finally secured all three locations for our repeaters and now it’s time to deploy Allstar. I want each repeater (MSF 5000) to first have an Arcom RC-210 to which the Allstar interface is applied to port 1 or even the auxiliary port. The RC-210 has many valuable features and is generally feature-rich. I am old that this cannot be done especially when simulcasting; could someone explain why not so that my mind will drop it? Thank you. We primarily want the RC-210 so that we may RF link each site. In the event of an earthquake down goes all links. > > > > > > > > Otherwise, what is my shopping list? > > > > > > > > Thank you for your patience with me. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > > > [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > > > > > [http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app\_rpt-users](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) > > > > > > * * * > > > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > > > > [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > > > [http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app\_rpt-users](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) ---
**Author:** ![W5omr](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/ea666f/32.png) [@W5omr](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/W5omr)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/8 "2013-08-10T04:17:23Z")
Here’s one way of looking at it… . That’s 5 repeaters and 3 link radios. The RC-210 has 3 inputs; Repeater Link repeater Allstar URI (Audio in, audio out, COS, PTT & Ground) North Repeater Link radio \> \> Repeater Hub ---------------- East Repeater & link Radio Link Repeater \> \> South Repeater Link Radio It’s up to you as to what frequencies you want to use. You might check Radio Mobile Online () and make sure you are meeting your RF signal path requirements. That’s one way… Good luck. -Geoff/W5OMR > **···** > > On 08/09/2013 12:24 PM, Bob - AF6D > wrote: > > > ``` > > I have finally secured all three > > > > ``` > > > > locations for our repeaters > > and now it’s time to deploy Allstar. I want each repeater > > (MSF 5000) to > > first have an Arcom RC-210 to which the Allstar interface > > is applied to port 1 > > or even the auxiliary port. The RC-210 has many valuable > > features and is > > generally feature-rich. I am old that this cannot be done > > especially when > > simulcasting; could someone explain why not so that my > > mind will drop it? Thank > > you. We primarily want the RC-210 so that we may RF link > > each site. In the > > event of an earthquake down goes all links. > > > Otherwise, what is my shopping list? > > > > > If all sites are > able to talk to each other, then I would suggest a link > repeater. > > ``` > Each repeater site has it's repeat er > > ``` > > and a link radio. > > ``` > The link radios talk to -one- link rep eater. Meaning, > > ``` > > someone keys up a repeater, the COS logic goes hi or lo (however conf igured) > and key’s the link radio, which transmits to > the link repeater, whi ch all > link radios hear, and key their respective > repeaters. > > ``` > At the si te where > > ``` > > the link repeater is, connect an Allstar > node. The allstar connection hits the node, > is shared by all repeaters on the link. > > The link repeater has to have no tones , to make it quicker in > response , and no tail, to keep the repeaters > from “ping-pong”'ing for eternity… > > ``` > What frequency should the link repeater be? > > ``` > > What band has got the least amount > of usage , ergo, the least amount of > possible intermod? > > ``` > For example: > > So, lets say your rep eater > > ``` > > and link repeater and all star node > are on top of Mt. Wilson in So Cal. > You want a shot to the northern valley area, out > to Riverside/San Bernadin o area, > and down I-5 to somewhere between LA and San > Diego > > [http://www.cplus.org/rmw/rmonline.html](http://www.cplus.org/rmw/rmonline.html) ---
**Author:** ![Bob](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@Bob](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Bob)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 7:03am UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/9 "2013-08-10T07:03:59Z")
It isn’t ideal since we really wanted RF links. But then again we can make a private network with Ubiquity. Or not. One site is 70 miles away. Let’s try a different approach. Is it possible to setup a remote base connected to an Arcom and TX the WX receiver through? > **···** > > * * * > > **From:** Shane Morris > [[mailto:edgecomberts@gmail.com](mailto:edgecomberts@gmail.com)] > **Sent:** Friday, August 09, 2013 9:14 > PM > **To:** tim sawyer > **Cc:** app\_rpt mailing list; Bob - > AF6D > **Subject:** Re: [App\_rpt-users] > Building a simulcast system > > Could you > use an Arduino with ethernet, and stream it as IP data? Well, Arduino, or > similar, I’ve been working with mBed boards a bit lately. > > On Aug 10, 2013 2:11 PM, “Tim Sawyer” [tim.sawyer@me.com](mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com) wrote: > > Not sure, maybe others will chime in with some ideas. > > – > > Tim > > :wq > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 8:51 PM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > Thanks, Tim. I guess that means all or > nothing. I’m ok with that. But how are external devices handled, like > weather receivers; earthquake detectors? > > * * * > > **From:** Tim Sawyer > [mailto:tim.sawyer@[me.com](http://me.com)] > **Sent:** Friday, August 09, 2013 > 8:41 PM > **To:** Bob - AF6D > **Cc:** [app\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > **Subject:** Re: [App\_rpt-users] > Building a simulcast system > > You can’t use a repeater controller with voting/simulcasting for a > couple of reasons. The voter sends the RX signals to the host computer where > the best one is selected and sent to the transmitters. Obviously you can’t have > a repeat path thru your controller and do any voting. Next reason is the RTCMs > need unsquelched discriminator audio. > > – > > Tim > > :wq > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > I have finally secured all three locations for our repeaters > and now it’s time to deploy Allstar. I want each repeater (MSF 5000) to > first have an Arcom RC-210 to which the Allstar interface is applied to port 1 > or even the auxiliary port. The RC-210 has many valuable features and is > generally feature-rich. I am old that this cannot be done especially when > simulcasting; could someone explain why not so that my mind will drop it? Thank > you. We primarily want the RC-210 so that we may RF link each site. In the > event of an earthquake down goes all links. > > Otherwise, what is my shopping list? > > Thank you for your patience with me. > > * * * > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > > [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > [http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app\_rpt-users](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) > > * * * > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > > [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > [http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app\_rpt-users](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) ---
**Author:** ![Buddy](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Buddy](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Buddy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 1:34pm UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/10 "2013-08-10T13:34:41Z")
All or nothing isn’t necessarily a bad thing, as Asterisk makes a very competent repeater controller all by itself. > **···** > > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 11:51 PM, Bob - AF6D \ wrote: > > > Thanks, Tim. I guess that means all or nothing. I’m ok with that. But how are external devices handled, like weather receivers; earthquake detectors? > > > > From: Tim Sawyer [mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com] > > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 8:41 PM > > To: Bob - AF6D > > Cc: app\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org > > Subject: Re: [App\_rpt-users] Building a simulcast system > > > > You can't use a repeater controller with voting/simulcasting for a couple of reasons. The voter sends the RX signals to the host computer where the best one is selected and sent to the transmitters. Obviously you can't have a repeat path thru your controller and do any voting. Next reason is the RTCMs need unsquelched discriminator audio. > > > > -- > > Tim > > :wq > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Bob - AF6D \ wrote: > > > > I have finally secured all three locations for our repeaters and now it’s time to deploy Allstar. I want each repeater (MSF 5000) to first have an Arcom RC-210 to which the Allstar interface is applied to port 1 or even the auxiliary port. The RC-210 has many valuable features and is generally feature-rich. I am old that this cannot be done especially when simulcasting; could someone explain why not so that my mind will drop it? Thank you. We primarily want the RC-210 so that we may RF link each site. In the event of an earthquake down goes all links. > > > > Otherwise, what is my shopping list? > > > > Thank you for your patience with me. > > > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > > App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org > > [ohnosec.org](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) > > > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > > App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org > > [ohnosec.org](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_Sawyer1](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/67e7ee/32.png) [@Tim\_Sawyer1](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Tim_Sawyer1)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 1:58pm UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/11 "2013-08-10T13:58:13Z")
If you mean have the Arcom wired to the repeater TX for weather alerts, no. You are building a simulcast system and you wouldn’t want just one of the transmitters coming on independent of the other transmitters. You could make the Arcom (wired to the WX RX) a separate node and link it to your simulcast node. But what’s the Arcom bring to the table? Why not just connect the WX RX to a URI or RTCM? > **···** > > – > > Tim > > :wq > > On Aug 10, 2013, at 12:03 AM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > > Is it possible to setup a remote base connected to an Arcom and TX the WX receiver through? ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_Sawyer1](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/67e7ee/32.png) [@Tim\_Sawyer1](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Tim_Sawyer1)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 2:09pm UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/12 "2013-08-10T14:09:47Z")
Yep, that’s worth considering. 70 miles is doable with the right antennas and radios. MikroTik has a 1.6 watt WiFi bullet style radio. I’ve not used it but maybe someone here on the list has. > **···** > > – > > Tim > > :wq > > On Aug 10, 2013, at 12:03 AM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > > But then again we can make a private network with Ubiquity. Or not. One site is 70 miles away. ---
**Author:** ![Bob](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@Bob](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Bob)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/13 "2013-08-10T15:18:17Z")
I don’t know enough about the URI or USB to speak intelligently. Pun intended J So that I might take advantage of linking I was considering wiring the Arcom to a repeater not part of the simulcast loop. I guess that there’s no way around an all RoIP system. > **···** > > * * * > > **From:** Tim Sawyer > [[mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com](mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com)] > **Sent:** Saturday, August 10, 2013 > 6:58 AM > **To:** Bob - AF6D > **Cc:** app\_rpt mailing list > **Subject:** Re: [App\_rpt-users] > Building a simulcast system > > If you mean have the Arcom wired to the repeater TX for weather alerts, > no. You are building a simulcast system and you wouldn’t want just one of the > transmitters coming on independent of the other transmitters. > > You could make the Arcom (wired to the WX RX) a separate node and link > it to your simulcast node. But what’s the Arcom bring to the table? Why not > just connect the WX RX to a URI or RTCM? > > – > > Tim > > :wq > > On Aug 10, 2013, at 12:03 AM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > Is it possible to setup a remote base connected to > an Arcom and TX the WX receiver through? ---
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I think that I just need to get my feet wet. A RTCM and a GPS module? Is there a recommended source on the GPS option? > **···** > > * * * > > **From:** Tim Sawyer > [[mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com](mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com)] > **Sent:** Saturday, August 10, 2013 > 6:58 AM > **To:** Bob - AF6D > **Cc:** app\_rpt mailing list > **Subject:** Re: [App\_rpt-users] > Building a simulcast system > > If you mean have the Arcom wired to the repeater TX for weather alerts, > no. You are building a simulcast system and you wouldn’t want just one of the > transmitters coming on independent of the other transmitters. > > You could make the Arcom (wired to the WX RX) a separate node and link > it to your simulcast node. But what’s the Arcom bring to the table? Why not > just connect the WX RX to a URI or RTCM? > > – > > Tim > > :wq > > On Aug 10, 2013, at 12:03 AM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > Is it possible to setup a remote base connected to > an Arcom and TX the WX receiver through? ---
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I really like the garmin 18x lvc. Garmin 18x LVC GPS Navigator Unit [http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0016O3T7A/ref=cm\_sw\_r\_an\_am\_ap\_am\_us?ie=UTF8](http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0016O3T7A/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_us?ie=UTF8) > **···** > > On Aug 10, 2013 11:07 AM, “Bob - AF6D” [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > > I think that I just need to get my feet > > wet. A RTCM and a GPS module? Is there a recommended source on the GPS option? > > > > > > * * * > > > **From:** Tim Sawyer > > [[mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com](mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com)] > > **Sent:** Saturday, August 10, 2013 > > 6:58 AM > > **To:** Bob - AF6D > > **Cc:** app\_rpt mailing list > > **Subject:** Re: [App\_rpt-users] > > Building a simulcast system > > > > > > If you mean have the Arcom wired to the repeater TX for weather alerts, > > no. You are building a simulcast system and you wouldn’t want just one of the > > transmitters coming on independent of the other transmitters. > > > > > > You could make the Arcom (wired to the WX RX) a separate node and link > > it to your simulcast node. But what’s the Arcom bring to the table? Why not > > just connect the WX RX to a URI or RTCM? > > > – > > > Tim > > > :wq > > > > > > On Aug 10, 2013, at 12:03 AM, Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) wrote: > > > > > > Is it possible to setup a remote base connected to > > an Arcom and TX the WX receiver through? > > > > > > * * * > > > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > > > > [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > > > [http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app\_rpt-users](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) ---
**Author:** ![Bob](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@Bob](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Bob)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/16 "2013-08-11T17:23:48Z")
I am blessed with running my own hosting business and own my data center. At home I have business class service. I have 50 down and 5 up. I think that easily covers the voice portion. I have KVM over IP and Remote APC reboot – or I can run it here just as easily as my data center. 1. Which version of the software is best for simulcast? 2. How about the hardware? By default I would use a Pentium 4 3GHz with 4GHz of RAM a Dell GX series desktop. 3. Should I run a SSD drive for boot-up or would a Western Digital RE4 (server class) work ok across the board? 3. Besides simulcast for 3 nodes I’d like to share what we have as a conference node (???). Do I have enough horsepower? I have 50 down and 5 up. 4. I'd like a private server and a public server on one PC. I would be tremendously grateful to anyone that answers these entry level questions. I don't want to make mistakes from the beginning. Humbly Yours, AF6D > **···** > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > From: Michael Hebert [[mailto:mhebert1975@gmail.com](mailto:mhebert1975@gmail.com)] > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:28 AM > To: Bob - AF6D > Cc: [app\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > Subject: Re: [App\_rpt-users] Building a simulcast system > > I really like the garmin 18x lvc. > Garmin 18x LVC GPS Navigator Unit > > > **[Amazon.com: Garmin 18x LVC GPS Navigator Unit: GPS & Navigation](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0016O3T7A/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_us?ie=UTF8)** > > > > Amazon.com: Garmin 18x LVC GPS Navigator Unit: GPS & Navigation > > > On Aug 10, 2013 11:07 AM, "Bob - AF6D" \<[bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com)\> wrote: > I think that I just need to get my feet wet. A RTCM and a GPS module? Is > there a recommended source on the GPS option? > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > From: Tim Sawyer [[mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com](mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com)] > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 6:58 AM > To: Bob - AF6D > Cc: app\_rpt mailing list > Subject: Re: [App\_rpt-users] Building a simulcast system > > If you mean have the Arcom wired to the repeater TX for weather alerts, no. > You are building a simulcast system and you wouldn't want just one of the > transmitters coming on independent of the other transmitters. > > You could make the Arcom (wired to the WX RX) a separate node and link it to > your simulcast node. But what's the Arcom bring to the table? Why not just > connect the WX RX to a URI or RTCM? > -- > Tim > :wq > > On Aug 10, 2013, at 12:03 AM, Bob - AF6D \<[bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com)\> wrote: > > Is it possible to setup a remote base connected to an Arcom and TX the WX > receiver through? > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > App\_rpt-users mailing list > [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > [http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app\_rpt-users](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users) ---
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See below… > **···** > > – > Tim > :wq > > Begin forwarded message: > > > **From:** Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) > > > **Subject:** **Re: [App\_rpt-users] Building a simulcast system** > > > **Date:** August 11, 2013 10:23:48 AM PDT > > > **To:** ‘Michael Hebert’ [mhebert1975@gmail.com](mailto:mhebert1975@gmail.com) > > > **Cc:** [app\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > > I am blessed with running my own hosting business and own my data center. At > > home I have business class service. I have 50 down and 5 up. I think that > > easily covers the voice portion. I have KVM over IP and Remote APC reboot – > > or I can run it here just as easily as my data center. > > > > 1. > > > > ``` > > Which version of the software is best for simulcast? > > > > ``` > > The latest ACID. Always upgrade after install. see [https://allstarlink.org/support.html#astupgrade](https://allstarlink.org/support.html#astupgrade) > > > 1. > > > > ``` > > How about the hardware? By default I would use a Pentium 4 3GHz with > > > > ``` > > > > 4GHz of RAM a Dell GX series desktop. > > That’s plenty. I’m running 4 mix client nodes, a two client simulcast node and a four client simulcast node. That’s 10 RTCMs on 6 nodes. All on a single Intel Atom D25 (1Gb RAM) with ACID installed on a SSD. It runs 94% idle and 300 Mb free. > > > 1. > > > > ``` > > Should I run a SSD drive for boot-up or would a Western Digital RE4 > > > > ``` > > > > (server class) work ok across the board? > > Yep. > > > 1. > > > > ``` > > Besides simulcast for 3 nodes I’d like to share what we have as a > > > > ``` > > > > conference node (???). Do I have enough horsepower? I have 50 down and 5 up. > > Yes. > > > 1. > > > > ``` > > I'd like a private server and a public server on one PC. > > > > ``` > > No, only one server per PC is recommended. VMs are not recommended, and I might scold you if you try :-). But you can have both private and public nodes on the same server. > > > I would be tremendously grateful to anyone that answers these entry level > > questions. I don’t want to make mistakes from the beginning. > > I’ll send you a bill first of the month, thank you for your generosity 🙂 > > > Humbly Yours, > > AF6D ---
**Author:** ![Telesistant](https://community.allstarlink.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@Telesistant](https://community.allstarlink.org/u/Telesistant)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 9:30pm UTC](https://community.allstarlink.org/t/building-a-simulcast-system/10311/18 "2013-08-11T21:30:43Z")
Although I have not personally verified this, you should be able to run several chan\_voter instances (and associated nodes) on something as small even as a Raspberry-Pi. Jim > **···** > > * * * > > From: [tim.sawyer@me.com](mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com) > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:13:37 -0700 > To: [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > Subject: [App\_rpt-users] Fwd: Building a simulcast system > > ## See below... > > Tim > :wq > > Begin forwarded message: > > > **From:** Bob - AF6D [bob@af6d.com](mailto:bob@af6d.com) > > > **Subject:** **Re: [App\_rpt-users] Building a simulcast system** > > > **Date:** August 11, 2013 10:23:48 AM PDT > > > **To:**'Michael Hebert' [mhebert1975@gmail.com](mailto:mhebert1975@gmail.com) > > > **Cc:** [app\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > > > I am blessed with running my own hosting business and own my data center. At > > home I have business class service. I have 50 down and 5 up. I think that > > easily covers the voice portion. I have KVM over IP and Remote APC reboot – > > or I can run it here just as easily as my data center. > > > > 1. > > > > ``` > > Which version of the software is best for simulcast? > > > > ``` > > The latest ACID. Always upgrade after install. see [https://allstarlink.org/support.html#astupgrade](https://allstarlink.org/support.html#astupgrade) > > > 1. > > > > ``` > > How about the hardware? By default I would use a Pentium 4 3GHz with > > > > ``` > > > > 4GHz of RAM a Dell GX series desktop. > > That's plenty. I'm running 4 mix client nodes, a two client simulcast node and a four client simulcast node. That's 10 RTCMs on 6 nodes. All on a single Intel Atom D25 (1Gb RAM) with ACID installed on a SSD. It runs 94% idle and 300 Mb free. > > > 1. > > > > ``` > > Should I run a SSD drive for boot-up or would a Western Digital RE4 > > > > ``` > > > > (server class) work ok across the board? > > Yep. > > > 1. > > > > ``` > > Besides simulcast for 3 nodes I’d like to share what we have as a > > > > ``` > > > > conference node (???). Do I have enough horsepower? I have 50 down and 5 up. > > Yes. > > > 1. > > > > ``` > > I'd like a private server and a public server on one PC. > > > > ``` > > No, only one server per PC is recommended. VMs are not recommended, and I might scold you if you try :-). But you can have both private and public nodes on the same server. > > > I would be tremendously grateful to anyone that answers these entry level > > questions. I don't want to make mistakes from the beginning. > > I'll send you a bill first of the month, thank you for your generosity 🙂 > > > Humbly Yours, > > AF6D > > * * * > > App\_rpt-users mailing list > [App\_rpt-users@ohnosec.org](mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org) > [http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app\_rpt-users](http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users)